Why does the owl need chest hair? (or whatever the oval patch is supposed to represent).
Ralph > On Nov 23, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Stephen Connolly > <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 23 November 2014 at 02:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr > <mailto:herve.bout...@free.fr>> wrote: > >> Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit : >>> I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design >>> assistance available. I suspect that there is. >> +1 >> > > If somebody else wants to take a lead in that process then we might get > somewhere faster... I just want to get to the end game... even if Maven > doesn't find a use for my creation I will find some project to attach it > to! ;-) > > >> >>> On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly" >>> <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Why I want a new logo and a mascot: >>>> >>>> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite. >> +1 >> >>>> Users >>>> cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on >>>> abusing maven rather than having maven help them. >>>> >>>> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg >> with >>>> the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo >> and >>>> selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt >>>> and >>>> I believe it will help me. >> +1, even if it puts a higher bar >> >>>> >>>> I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be >>>> flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of >> the >>>> day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot >> (or >>>> something else to mix up the content visually) >>>> >>>> I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from >>>> that... Though I welcome each and every one >>>> >>>> The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer... >> Though to >>>> do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good >>>> results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in >> truth I >>>> do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with >> a >>>> new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion >> thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one >> direction... >> >>>> >>>> I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the >> community >>>> will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out >> the >>>> community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote >> starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good choice >> >>>> >>>> >>>> By the way, I think I now favour D >> in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is >> good, >> since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes >> atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression: don't >> know >> if blue or grey would be better >> > > How does green suit? > > http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png > > <http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png> > > > >> and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people >> (which >> have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without showing >> anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun because >> it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you will >> discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide.... >> > > As I said, if my owl gets selected I will let the community decide the > mascot's name... seems that for this owl everyone wants to call it > "shotgun" ;-) > > >> >> thank you for your continued work on this: it's part of what we can do to >> continue to improve user experience >> >> Regards, >> >> Hervé >> >> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly < >>>> >>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like >> removing >>>> >>>>> the outlines: >>>> >> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2 >>>> .png> >>>>> D is now a tie for me with B >>>>> >>>>> On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly < >>>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com');>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen < >>>>>> >>>>>> mfriedenha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" < >>>>>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> < >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked >> Durk >>>> >>>> nor >>>> >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do not call for it ;-) >>>>>>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though >> :-) >>>> >>>> ) >>>> >>>>>> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours, >>>>>> you're going to get a similar look. >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going >>>>>> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness >>>>>> >>>>>> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of >>>>>> solid >>>>>> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much >> better >>>> >>>> than >>>> >>>>>> gradients etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's >> skinny >>>>>> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't >>>> >>>> see a >>>> >>>>>> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as >> it >>>>>> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger >>>>>> than >>>>>> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a >>>>>> long >>>>>> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer >>>>>> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need... >>>>>> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Mirko >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov < >>>> >>>> micha...@apache.org >>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov < >>>>>>> >>>>>>> micha...@apache.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov: >>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion on this: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word >>>> >>>> maven. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greek >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hebrew/Jewish >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see >> an >>>> >>>> old >>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wise >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> man. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no >> obvious >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gender >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> apart >>>>>>>>>>> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wise >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or >> belittling >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wise >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> women >>>>>>>>>>> (irrespective of age) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender >>>>>>> >>>>>>> differences >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> probably a better fit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about >> genders >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>>>> nor am >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not >>>>>>>>>> rooted >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in >> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greek >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks: >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store >>>> >>>> from >>>> >>>>>>>>> Canada. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from my phone >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my phone >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
