On 23 November 2014 at 02:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> wrote:
> Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit : > > I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design > > assistance available. I suspect that there is. > +1 > If somebody else wants to take a lead in that process then we might get somewhere faster... I just want to get to the end game... even if Maven doesn't find a use for my creation I will find some project to attach it to! ;-) > > > On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly" > > <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Why I want a new logo and a mascot: > > > > > > I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite. > +1 > > > > Users > > > cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on > > > abusing maven rather than having maven help them. > > > > > > Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg > with > > > the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo > and > > > selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt > > > and > > > I believe it will help me. > +1, even if it puts a higher bar > > > > > > > I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be > > > flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of > the > > > day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot > (or > > > something else to mix up the content visually) > > > > > > I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from > > > that... Though I welcome each and every one > > > > > > The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer... > Though to > > > do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good > > > results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in > truth I > > > do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with > a > > > new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion > thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one > direction... > > > > > > > I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the > community > > > will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out > the > > > community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote > starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good choice > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I think I now favour D > in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is > good, > since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes > atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression: don't > know > if blue or grey would be better > How does green suit? http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png > and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people > (which > have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without showing > anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun because > it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you will > discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide.... > As I said, if my owl gets selected I will let the community decide the mascot's name... seems that for this owl everyone wants to call it "shotgun" ;-) > > thank you for your continued work on this: it's part of what we can do to > continue to improve user experience > > Regards, > > Hervé > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly < > > > > > > stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like > removing > > > > > > > the outlines: > > > > http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2 > > > .png> > > > > D is now a tie for me with B > > > > > > > > On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly < > > > > stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com');>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen < > > > >> > > > >> mfriedenha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" < > > > >>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> < > > > >>> > > > >>> > Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked > Durk > > > > > > nor > > > > > > >>> have > > > >>> > > > >>> > Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) > > > >>> > > > >>> Do not call for it ;-) > > > >>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though > :-) > > > > > > ) > > > > > > >> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours, > > > >> you're going to get a similar look. > > > >> > > > >> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going > > > >> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness > > > >> > > > >> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of > > > >> solid > > > >> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much > better > > > > > > than > > > > > > >> gradients etc. > > > >> > > > >> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's > skinny > > > >> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't > > > > > > see a > > > > > > >> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as > it > > > >> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger > > > >> than > > > >> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a > > > >> long > > > >> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer > > > >> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need... > > > >> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-) > > > >> > > > >>> Regards > > > >>> Mirko > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Cheers, > > > >>> > > Paul > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov < > > > > > > micha...@apache.org > > > > > > >>> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: > > > >>> > > >> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov < > > > >>> > > > >>> micha...@apache.org> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > >> Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov: > > > >>> > > >>> My opinion on this: > > > >>> > > >>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word > > > > > > maven. > > > > > > >>> > > >>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on > > > >>> > > >>>> the > > > >>> > > > >>> Greek > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Hebrew/Jewish > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > >>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see > an > > > > > > old > > > > > > >>> and > > > >>> > > > >>> > > wise > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > >>>> man. > > > >>> > > >>>> > > > >>> > > >>>> Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no > obvious > > > >>> > > > >>> gender > > > >>> - > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> apart > > > >>> > > >> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas > > > >>> > > >> the > > > >>> > > > >>> wise > > > >>> > > > >>> > > old > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > >> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or > belittling > > > >>> > > >> to > > > >>> > > > >>> wise > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> women > > > >>> > > >> (irrespective of age) > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender > > > >>> > > > >>> differences > > > >>> is > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> probably a better fit > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about > genders > > > > > > and > > > > > > >>> nor am > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not > > > >>> > > > rooted > > > >>> > > > >>> in > > > >>> the > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in > the > > > >>> > > > >>> Greek > > > >>> > > > >>> > > one. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks: > > > >>> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store > > > > > > from > > > > > > >>> > > Canada. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > Michael > > > >>> > > > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > >>> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Sent from my phone > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my phone > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >
