Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for providing valuable feedback and discussion.
I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document to feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please just ask. Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a vote on adopting the new https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal to replace our current document https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a process. So, if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of that vote. On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on Friday, but will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are complete. Best, Carin On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the format and > found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes. > Looking forward to the next one. > > Pedro > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <steffenroc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Carin - please see > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT > > : > > Discussion about committer proposal: > > > > - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer and > > PPMC election > > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona? > > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member > > > > > > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet. > > > > Steffen > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <carinme...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are > > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in > > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to attend > > the > > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Carin > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel < > steffenroc...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I > incorporated > > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate committer/PPMC > > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be > > > considered > > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation. > > > > > > > > Steffen > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <carinme...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and PPMC > > > > > guidelines. > > > > > > > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions > > are > > > > > complete. > > > > > > > > > > - Carin > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <carinme...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Great! > > > > > > > > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Carin > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel < > > > > steffenroc...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin! > > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal. > > > > > >> Steffen > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier < > carinme...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Background: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the > > > > > community. > > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the > > current > > > > > >> committer > > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers > > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership > > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC > > > (discussed > > > > > in > > > > > >> > another thread) > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Current State: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer > > > > > >> as > > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria > > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Proposal: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache > > > Beam > > > > > >> project > > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/ > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Short quote from page: > > > > > >> > ================= > > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer… > > > > > >> > < > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > - Takes many forms > > > > > >> > < > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software > > Foundation > > > > > code > > > > > >> of > > > > > >> > conduct > > > > > >> > < > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an > > > > Apache > > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer > > > > > >> > < > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s > > practices > > > > > >> > < > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > - ================= > > > > > >> > < > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this > > > model > > > > > it > > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool, > > acknowledge > > > > that > > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and > > > > > >> > responsibilities. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we > > > could > > > > > add > > > > > >> it > > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities > > and > > > > > >> values of > > > > > >> > this level. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If > > the > > > > > >> community > > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be > happy > > to > > > > > >> create > > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if > > > > someone > > > > > >> else > > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great) > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > - Carin > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
