Thanks Kellen for the clarification. The revised version looks good to me. On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 1:40 PM kellen sunderland < kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Forgot to answer your second question "How many votes are required by PMCs > before the formal release can happen? Is this considered community-related > decision as well, e.g. PMC vetos are binding?" > Answer "Votes on whether a package is ready to be released use majority > approval <https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval> > -- > i.e. at least three PMC members must vote affirmatively for release, and > there must be more positive than negative votes. Releases may not be > vetoed. Generally > the community will cancel the release vote if anyone identifies serious > problems, but in most cases the ultimate decision, lies with the individual > serving as release manager. The specifics of the process may vary from > project to project, but the 'minimum quorum of three +1 votes' rule is > universal." > from: https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:38 AM kellen sunderland < > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I believe the wording _must_ comes from the fact that the PMC (as a body) > > must have a formal vote for a release, otherwise the release will not > > happen. I don't believe it means every PMC member is required to vote on > > the release. I can see where the confusion comes from, but also feel the > > wording is correct. > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:53 AM Yuan Tang <terrytangy...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM Naveen Swamy <mnnav...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > I added clarifying sections to explicitly call out committers/PMC > >> > privileges. Please review. > >> > > >> > Pasting here for convenience > >> > Committer Privileges > >> > > >> > - Committers have write access to the code repository. > >> > - Committers have an @apache.org email address. > >> > - Committers can make short-term decisions for the project, > approving > >> > and merging pull requests. > >> > - Committer Vote is *NOT* considered *binding* thus the vote you > >> cast do > >> > not have *Veto* on issues that require consensus. > >> > - Committer's can request changes on Pull Requests but it does not > >> > constitute Veto, PMC can agree to approve or reject requested > >> changes. > >> > > >> > PMC Privileges > >> > > >> > - PMC makes the long-term decisions with regard to the project. > >> > - PMC members have write access to the code repository. > >> > - PMC members have @apache.org email address. > >> > - PMC has access to private@ email list > >> > - PMC has the right to vote for the community-related decisions, > PMC > >> > Votes are *binding*. > >> > - PMC has the right to propose active users for committership. > >> > - PMC must vote on any formal release of the project's software > >> product. > >> > > >> Could you clarify on this (I don't think you meant "PMC *must* vote")? > How > >> many votes are required by PMCs before the formal release can happen? Is > >> this considered community-related decision as well, e.g. PMC vetos are > >> binding? > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > All, I suggest you review the proposal and if there is any concern > >> please > >> > voice it here before this goes out for voting. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <carinme...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > I plan to start a vote on the adopting > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal > >> > > to > >> > > replace our current document > >> > > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer > >> > > tomorrow > >> > > (Monday). > >> > > > >> > > - Carin > >> > > > >> > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <carinme...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for > >> providing > >> > > > valuable feedback and discussion. > >> > > > > >> > > > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the > document > >> to > >> > > > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, > >> please > >> > > just > >> > > > ask. > >> > > > > >> > > > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to > have > >> a > >> > > vote > >> > > > on adopting the new > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal > >> > > > to replace our current document > >> > > > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer > >> > > > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a > >> process. > >> > > So, > >> > > > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of > >> that > >> > > > vote. > >> > > > > >> > > > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on > >> Friday, > >> > > but > >> > > > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are > >> > complete. > >> > > > > >> > > > Best, > >> > > > Carin > >> > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy < > >> > > pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the > >> > format > >> > > >> and > >> > > >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the > >> notes. > >> > > >> Looking forward to the next one. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Pedro > >> > > >> > >> > > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel < > >> > steffenroc...@gmail.com > >> > > > > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Carin - please see > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT > >> > > >> > : > >> > > >> > Discussion about committer proposal: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between > >> committer > >> > > and > >> > > >> > PPMC election > >> > > >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona? > >> > > >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Steffen > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier < > >> carinme...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts > that > >> > are > >> > > >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the > >> meeting > >> > in > >> > > >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like > >> to > >> > > >> attend > >> > > >> > the > >> > > >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > Thanks! > >> > > >> > > Carin > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel < > >> > > >> steffenroc...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I > >> > > >> incorporated > >> > > >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate > >> > > committer/PPMC > >> > > >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should > not > >> be > >> > > >> > > considered > >> > > >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation. > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > Steffen > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier < > >> > carinme...@gmail.com > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for > Committer > >> and > >> > > >> PPMC > >> > > >> > > > > guidelines. > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal > >> > > >> > > > > . > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the > >> > > discussions/revisions > >> > > >> > are > >> > > >> > > > > complete. > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > - Carin > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier < > >> > > >> carinme...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Great! > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal > >> > > >> > > > > > . > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > - Carin > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel < > >> > > >> > > > steffenroc...@gmail.com > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin! > >> > > >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal. > >> > > >> > > > > >> Steffen > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier < > >> > > >> carinme...@gmail.com > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > Background: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and > >> grow > >> > > the > >> > > >> > > > > community. > >> > > >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of > revision > >> the > >> > > >> > current > >> > > >> > > > > >> committer > >> > > >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers > >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to > >> > > committership > >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer > and > >> PMC > >> > > >> > > (discussed > >> > > >> > > > > in > >> > > >> > > > > >> > another thread) > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > Current State: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer > >> > > >> > > > > >> as > >> > > >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria > >> > > >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > Proposal: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after > >> the > >> > > >> Apache > >> > > >> > > Beam > >> > > >> > > > > >> project > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/ > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > ================= > >> > > >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer… > >> > > >> > > > > >> > < > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms > >> > > >> > > > > >> > < > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache > >> Software > >> > > >> > Foundation > >> > > >> > > > > code > >> > > >> > > > > >> of > >> > > >> > > > > >> > conduct > >> > > >> > > > > >> > < > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the > >> responsibilities > >> > of > >> > > >> an > >> > > >> > > > Apache > >> > > >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer > >> > > >> > > > > >> > < > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam > >> community’s > >> > > >> > practices > >> > > >> > > > > >> > < > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > - ================= > >> > > >> > > > > >> > < > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria > >> with > >> > > >> this > >> > > >> > > model > >> > > >> > > > > it > >> > > >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider > pool, > >> > > >> > acknowledge > >> > > >> > > > that > >> > > >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF > values > >> > and > >> > > >> > > > > >> > responsibilities. > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC > level > >> > but > >> > > we > >> > > >> > > could > >> > > >> > > > > add > >> > > >> > > > > >> it > >> > > >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF > >> > > responsibilities > >> > > >> > and > >> > > >> > > > > >> values of > >> > > >> > > > > >> > this level. > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible > >> > direction. > >> > > If > >> > > >> > the > >> > > >> > > > > >> community > >> > > >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I > >> would be > >> > > >> happy > >> > > >> > to > >> > > >> > > > > >> create > >> > > >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look > at - > >> > (or > >> > > if > >> > > >> > > > someone > >> > > >> > > > > >> else > >> > > >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great) > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Carin > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >
