I believe the wording _must_ comes from the fact that the PMC (as a body) must have a formal vote for a release, otherwise the release will not happen. I don't believe it means every PMC member is required to vote on the release. I can see where the confusion comes from, but also feel the wording is correct.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:53 AM Yuan Tang <terrytangy...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM Naveen Swamy <mnnav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I added clarifying sections to explicitly call out committers/PMC > > privileges. Please review. > > > > Pasting here for convenience > > Committer Privileges > > > > - Committers have write access to the code repository. > > - Committers have an @apache.org email address. > > - Committers can make short-term decisions for the project, approving > > and merging pull requests. > > - Committer Vote is *NOT* considered *binding* thus the vote you cast > do > > not have *Veto* on issues that require consensus. > > - Committer's can request changes on Pull Requests but it does not > > constitute Veto, PMC can agree to approve or reject requested changes. > > > > PMC Privileges > > > > - PMC makes the long-term decisions with regard to the project. > > - PMC members have write access to the code repository. > > - PMC members have @apache.org email address. > > - PMC has access to private@ email list > > - PMC has the right to vote for the community-related decisions, PMC > > Votes are *binding*. > > - PMC has the right to propose active users for committership. > > - PMC must vote on any formal release of the project's software > product. > > > Could you clarify on this (I don't think you meant "PMC *must* vote")? How > many votes are required by PMCs before the formal release can happen? Is > this considered community-related decision as well, e.g. PMC vetos are > binding? > > > > > > > > All, I suggest you review the proposal and if there is any concern please > > voice it here before this goes out for voting. > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <carinme...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > I plan to start a vote on the adopting > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal > > > to > > > replace our current document > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer > > > tomorrow > > > (Monday). > > > > > > - Carin > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <carinme...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for > providing > > > > valuable feedback and discussion. > > > > > > > > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document > to > > > > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please > > > just > > > > ask. > > > > > > > > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a > > > vote > > > > on adopting the new > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal > > > > to replace our current document > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer > > > > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a > process. > > > So, > > > > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of > that > > > > vote. > > > > > > > > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on > Friday, > > > but > > > > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are > > complete. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Carin > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy < > > > pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the > > format > > > >> and > > > >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes. > > > >> Looking forward to the next one. > > > >> > > > >> Pedro > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel < > > steffenroc...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Carin - please see > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT > > > >> > : > > > >> > Discussion about committer proposal: > > > >> > > > > >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between > committer > > > and > > > >> > PPMC election > > > >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona? > > > >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet. > > > >> > > > > >> > Steffen > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier < > carinme...@gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that > > are > > > >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the > meeting > > in > > > >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to > > > >> attend > > > >> > the > > > >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks! > > > >> > > Carin > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel < > > > >> steffenroc...@gmail.com> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I > > > >> incorporated > > > >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate > > > committer/PPMC > > > >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not > be > > > >> > > considered > > > >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Steffen > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier < > > carinme...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer > and > > > >> PPMC > > > >> > > > > guidelines. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal > > > >> > > > > . > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the > > > discussions/revisions > > > >> > are > > > >> > > > > complete. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > - Carin > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier < > > > >> carinme...@gmail.com> > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Great! > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal > > > >> > > > > > . > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Carin > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel < > > > >> > > > steffenroc...@gmail.com > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin! > > > >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal. > > > >> > > > > >> Steffen > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier < > > > >> carinme...@gmail.com > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > Background: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and > grow > > > the > > > >> > > > > community. > > > >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision > the > > > >> > current > > > >> > > > > >> committer > > > >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers > > > >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to > > > committership > > > >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and > PMC > > > >> > > (discussed > > > >> > > > > in > > > >> > > > > >> > another thread) > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Current State: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer > > > >> > > > > >> as > > > >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria > > > >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Proposal: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the > > > >> Apache > > > >> > > Beam > > > >> > > > > >> project > > > >> > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/ > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page: > > > >> > > > > >> > ================= > > > >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer… > > > >> > > > > >> > < > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms > > > >> > > > > >> > < > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software > > > >> > Foundation > > > >> > > > > code > > > >> > > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > >> > conduct > > > >> > > > > >> > < > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the > responsibilities > > of > > > >> an > > > >> > > > Apache > > > >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer > > > >> > > > > >> > < > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam > community’s > > > >> > practices > > > >> > > > > >> > < > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > - ================= > > > >> > > > > >> > < > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria > with > > > >> this > > > >> > > model > > > >> > > > > it > > > >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool, > > > >> > acknowledge > > > >> > > > that > > > >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values > > and > > > >> > > > > >> > responsibilities. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level > > but > > > we > > > >> > > could > > > >> > > > > add > > > >> > > > > >> it > > > >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF > > > responsibilities > > > >> > and > > > >> > > > > >> values of > > > >> > > > > >> > this level. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible > > direction. > > > If > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > >> community > > > >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would > be > > > >> happy > > > >> > to > > > >> > > > > >> create > > > >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - > > (or > > > if > > > >> > > > someone > > > >> > > > > >> else > > > >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great) > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > - Carin > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
