Ugh, just woke up for such an active thread...
Just to be correct: OpenJDK is under GPL with ClassPath Exception.
Theoretically the Classpath Exception part allows that if you modify the
classpath only, then you can distribute the JDK under any other license.
This would allow us bundle a JDK with the NetBeans installer. Though
Apache Legal has not listed GPL with Classpath Exception as a Category B
license, so we can't do it.
Earlier I've hitchhiked a LEGAL issue for this, but I was asked to file
another issue, so here it is:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-488
As of netbeans Debian package. It kind of hurts the brand mostly by
being unmaintained. The current version can be installed, but it
installs with Java 11 which we did not support at version 10. (Not
mentioning that version 10 is unsupported), so the package installs, but
you cannot do any real Java work with it as it does not able to parse
the Java sources. With all the uncontrolled externalized library
dependencies it is just a Pandora's Box.
On 11/2/19 4:09 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
It would be great if you'd bundle CoolBeans with a JDK distro, e.g.,
AdoptOpenJDK. Will you do it?
Are you saying the NetBeans PMC expressly disallows a NetBeans
installer that would bundle AdoptOpenJDK?
I'm saying the exact opposite: the world would welcome a NetBeans installer
that would bundle AdoptOpenJDK.
However, that installer cannot be distributed by Apache, since the JDK is
GPL-licensed.
Gj
--emi
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:55 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org>
wrote:
Interesting, a pretty knowledgeable person there who could be
contributing
to NetBeans directly, do you know who it is?
It would be great if you'd bundle CoolBeans with a JDK distro, e.g.,
AdoptOpenJDK. Will you do it?
Gj
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:53 AM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Could you point me to some document with the conclusion (FAQ, or
whatever)?
How is Debian NetBeans modified?
https://sources.debian.org/src/netbeans/10.0-3/debian/patches/ for
starters.
--emi
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:40 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org
wrote:
Yes, it did. And that was and is the outcome.
How is Debian NetBeans modified?
Gj
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:37 AM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com
wrote:
The discussion never had an outcome. That is why I'm asking. Debian
NetBeans is *modified*.
--emi
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:31 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
geert...@apache.org
wrote:
If NetBeans is unmodified it is NetBeans, regardless of what you
want to
combine it with. It's been discussed and this is the outcome.
Gj
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:04 AM Emilian Bold <
emilian.b...@gmail.com
wrote:
Any particular reason?
Well, I saw the new release, then the snapcraft release which
reminded
me of the other NetBeans 'forks' under, for example, Debian
which
still call themselves NetBeans although they are not released
by
Apache. So I remembered we had a talk long ago about this.
From a pure precedent view, if Debian is able to call their
package
NetBeans and (heavily) patch the codebase to fit their needs,
others
should be able to do the same. (Not to mention how distros
patch or
add/remove modules to Apache HTTPD, etc).
In particular, if I just take NetBeans and slap AdoptOpenJDK
to it,
then I don't see under what interpretation Apache Legal or the
NetBeans PMC should send a cease and desist. But this is just
an
example: a FAQ should perhaps clarify this.
--emi
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 10:46 AM Neil C Smith <
neilcsm...@apache.org>
wrote:
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, 06:12 Emilian Bold, <
emilian.b...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'm curious what the PMC stance on the NetBeans brand and
trademark is
these days.
Any particular reason?
I personally remain of the view that convenience binaries
made by
anyone
from our (unmodified) source releases should be allowed under
nominative
fair use. That seems in line with the ASF FAQ linked
earlier. Not
sure
we've progressed any further on the issue though?
Best wishes,
Neil
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