Ah, right, a discussion was about whether AdoptOpenJDK would bundle NetBeans.
Which JDK is CoolBeans currently bundling? NetBeans is simply an Apache project. There's no need to ask what the NetBeans position or the NetBeans PMC position is. Here are the Apache licensing terms: http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html This covers this topic: http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#Name-changes I.e., if you modify an Apache project then you cannot distribute it under its name. You can say "based on Apache NetBeans", etc. Gj On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote: > > It would be great if you'd bundle CoolBeans with a JDK distro, e.g., > > AdoptOpenJDK. Will you do it? > > CoolBeans has bundled a JDK since day one, November 2018(!). > > So, considering various Linux distros, etc. produce Apache trademarked > artefacts (httpd, netbeans, etc) while also adding their modifications > (patches, modules, etc), what is the Apache in general and NetBeans > PMC in particular official position on this? > > Are you saying the NetBeans PMC expressly disallows a NetBeans > installer that would bundle AdoptOpenJDK? > > --emi > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:55 PM Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Interesting, a pretty knowledgeable person there who could be > contributing > > to NetBeans directly, do you know who it is? > > > > It would be great if you'd bundle CoolBeans with a JDK distro, e.g., > > AdoptOpenJDK. Will you do it? > > > > Gj > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:53 AM Emilian Bold <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Could you point me to some document with the conclusion (FAQ, or > whatever)? > > > > > > > How is Debian NetBeans modified? > > > > > > https://sources.debian.org/src/netbeans/10.0-3/debian/patches/ for > > > starters. > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:40 PM Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, it did. And that was and is the outcome. > > > > > > > > How is Debian NetBeans modified? > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:37 AM Emilian Bold <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The discussion never had an outcome. That is why I'm asking. Debian > > > > > NetBeans is *modified*. > > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:31 PM Geertjan Wielenga < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If NetBeans is unmodified it is NetBeans, regardless of what you > > > want to > > > > > > combine it with. It's been discussed and this is the outcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:04 AM Emilian Bold < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any particular reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I saw the new release, then the snapcraft release which > > > reminded > > > > > > > me of the other NetBeans 'forks' under, for example, Debian > which > > > > > > > still call themselves NetBeans although they are not released > by > > > > > > > Apache. So I remembered we had a talk long ago about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From a pure precedent view, if Debian is able to call their > package > > > > > > > NetBeans and (heavily) patch the codebase to fit their needs, > > > others > > > > > > > should be able to do the same. (Not to mention how distros > patch or > > > > > > > add/remove modules to Apache HTTPD, etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In particular, if I just take NetBeans and slap AdoptOpenJDK > to it, > > > > > > > then I don't see under what interpretation Apache Legal or the > > > > > > > NetBeans PMC should send a cease and desist. But this is just > an > > > > > > > example: a FAQ should perhaps clarify this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 10:46 AM Neil C Smith < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, 06:12 Emilian Bold, < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm curious what the PMC stance on the NetBeans brand and > > > > > trademark is > > > > > > > > > these days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any particular reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally remain of the view that convenience binaries > made by > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > from our (unmodified) source releases should be allowed under > > > > > nominative > > > > > > > > fair use. That seems in line with the ASF FAQ linked > earlier. Not > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > we've progressed any further on the issue though? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, > visit: > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
