OK. --emi
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 2:27 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> wrote: > > I don’t think we need to vote on anything that does not divert from the > standard Apache Way. > > Gj > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 at 13:10, Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > No. It's the other way around -- if the NetBeans community were to not > > > defer to Apache (and why wouldn't they), that's when there should be a > > FAQ. > > > > I can work with this. But note that this was not the conclusion of any > > previous talk. > > > > > You'd simply be bundling it with a JDK and not modifying NetBeans and > > therefore > > > you'd be entitled tio call it NetBeans. > > > > Can I still call it NetBeans if I also bundle some plugins (nbjavac, > > oraclejsparser, nbnotify, C/C++ support, wildfly, maven.search and > > JavaFX)? Because I've just described CoolBeans. > > > > The Payara folks had a NetBeans + some of their plugins bundle. Where > > they actually OK from a trademark perspective too? > > > > > Sure, let's do it. You can provide a PR in the website or wherever you > > > think would be best or tell me where it would be best. > > > > Don't shoot the messenger. This sounds like some sort of project > > trademark policy that should be voted on, linked from > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Policies > > and created a subpage explaining the conclusion. > > > > > You've already seen the mail that I sent to Debian. > > > If you find other examples, just say so and we'll contact them too. > > > > I think Debian was a known example while we discussed this (publicly > > and/or on private@). > > > > Note I don't have anything against Debian, I'm just aiming for some > > clarity and consistency. You could even make Debian a special case > > (assuming Apache allows it, etc) but people should know it's a special > > case. > > > > --emi > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 1:53 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:44 PM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What I'm looking for is: > > > > > > > > * transparency: the project having some guidelines about this. A > > > > simple page where you link to > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#Name-changes is fine > > > > by me, but you can't expect some sort of conclusion to be deduced from > > > > mail archives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, let's do it. You can provide a PR in the website or wherever you > > > think would be best or tell me where it would be best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * enforcement: the PMC showing it takes some proactive steps defending > > > > the brand / trademark. If name changes are mandatory, start enforcing > > > > this rule with obvious trademark infringements, such as Debian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've already seen the mail that I sent to Debian. > > > > > > If you find other examples, just say so and we'll contact them too. > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 1:10 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yup, that would be cool. > > > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:09 PM Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, 10:56 Geertjan Wielenga, <geert...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to be Markus Koschany, I'll contact him. If the distro is > > > > really > > > > > > > different in a significant way, they could call it DebianBeans, > > > > maybe. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would life be if you couldn't rely on Debian to screw up a > > Java > > > > > > package?! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure if they intend to keep packaging - it's still 10? But this > > > > feels > > > > > > borderline. Modifications to externalize dependencies or control > > what > > > > > > files/modules are included might be something to allow? OTOH, if > > that > > > > leads > > > > > > to linking to different versions of dependencies that might not? At > > > > what > > > > > > point does a build turn into a derivative? > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be good to make more of this configurable in our build > > scripts > > > > > > anyway. Would really like it to be easy for a downstream build to > > > > > > pre-include nb-javac and JavaFX if they want to for example. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
