> It would be great if you'd bundle CoolBeans with a JDK distro, e.g., > AdoptOpenJDK. Will you do it?
CoolBeans has bundled a JDK since day one, November 2018(!). So, considering various Linux distros, etc. produce Apache trademarked artefacts (httpd, netbeans, etc) while also adding their modifications (patches, modules, etc), what is the Apache in general and NetBeans PMC in particular official position on this? Are you saying the NetBeans PMC expressly disallows a NetBeans installer that would bundle AdoptOpenJDK? --emi On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:55 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> wrote: > > Interesting, a pretty knowledgeable person there who could be contributing > to NetBeans directly, do you know who it is? > > It would be great if you'd bundle CoolBeans with a JDK distro, e.g., > AdoptOpenJDK. Will you do it? > > Gj > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:53 AM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Could you point me to some document with the conclusion (FAQ, or whatever)? > > > > > How is Debian NetBeans modified? > > > > https://sources.debian.org/src/netbeans/10.0-3/debian/patches/ for > > starters. > > > > --emi > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:40 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, it did. And that was and is the outcome. > > > > > > How is Debian NetBeans modified? > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:37 AM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > The discussion never had an outcome. That is why I'm asking. Debian > > > > NetBeans is *modified*. > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:31 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If NetBeans is unmodified it is NetBeans, regardless of what you > > want to > > > > > combine it with. It's been discussed and this is the outcome. > > > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:04 AM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Any particular reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I saw the new release, then the snapcraft release which > > reminded > > > > > > me of the other NetBeans 'forks' under, for example, Debian which > > > > > > still call themselves NetBeans although they are not released by > > > > > > Apache. So I remembered we had a talk long ago about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > From a pure precedent view, if Debian is able to call their package > > > > > > NetBeans and (heavily) patch the codebase to fit their needs, > > others > > > > > > should be able to do the same. (Not to mention how distros patch or > > > > > > add/remove modules to Apache HTTPD, etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > In particular, if I just take NetBeans and slap AdoptOpenJDK to it, > > > > > > then I don't see under what interpretation Apache Legal or the > > > > > > NetBeans PMC should send a cease and desist. But this is just an > > > > > > example: a FAQ should perhaps clarify this. > > > > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 10:46 AM Neil C Smith < > > neilcsm...@apache.org> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, 06:12 Emilian Bold, <emilian.b...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm curious what the PMC stance on the NetBeans brand and > > > > trademark is > > > > > > > > these days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any particular reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally remain of the view that convenience binaries made by > > > > anyone > > > > > > > from our (unmodified) source releases should be allowed under > > > > nominative > > > > > > > fair use. That seems in line with the ASF FAQ linked earlier. Not > > > > sure > > > > > > > we've progressed any further on the issue though? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
