On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:44 PM Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Which JDK is CoolBeans currently bundling?
>
> AdoptOpenJDK 11.0.4.
>
> > NetBeans is simply an Apache project. There's no need to ask what the
> > NetBeans position or the NetBeans PMC position is.
>
> There was a discussion about this without a conclusion. If the PMC
> position is that they defer to Apache Legal some sort of FAQ should
> mention this.
>


No. It's the other way around -- if the NetBeans community were to not
defer to Apache (and why wouldn't they), that's when there should be a FAQ.

Gj




>
> > This covers this topic:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#Name-changes
> >
> > I.e., if you modify an Apache project then you cannot distribute it under
> its name.
>
> Yet Debian is doing a NetBeans fork using the NetBeans trademark.
>
> >[Niel] At what point does a build turn into a derivative?
>
> Indeed.
>
> > [Niel] It would be good to make more of this configurable in our build
> scripts
> > anyway. Would really like it to be easy for a downstream build to
> > pre-include nb-javac and JavaFX if they want to for example.
>
> Would certainly simplify some things for me.
>
> > [Geertjan] I'm saying the exact opposite: the world would welcome a
> NetBeans installer
> that would bundle AdoptOpenJDK.
>
> But can that installer be called "NetBeans"? If not, I'm already doing
> that with CoolBeans.
>
> > However, that installer cannot be distributed by Apache, since the JDK is
> GPL-licensed.
>
> I'm not talking about distribution, I'm talking about using the
> NetBeans trademark. Third parties can take care of distribution.
>
> What I'm looking for is:
>
> * transparency: the project having some guidelines about this. A
> simple page where you link to
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#Name-changes is fine
> by me, but you can't expect some sort of conclusion to be deduced from
> mail archives.
>
> * enforcement: the PMC showing it takes some proactive steps defending
> the brand / trademark. If name changes are mandatory, start enforcing
> this rule with obvious trademark infringements, such as Debian.
>
> --emi
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 1:10 PM Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yup, that would be cool.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:09 PM Neil C Smith <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, 10:56 Geertjan Wielenga, <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Seems to be Markus Koschany, I'll contact him. If the distro is
> really
> > > > different in a significant way, they could call it DebianBeans,
> maybe.
> > > :-)
> > > >
> > >
> > > What would life be if you couldn't rely on Debian to screw up a Java
> > > package?! ;-)
> > >
> > > Not sure if they intend to keep packaging - it's still 10? But this
> feels
> > > borderline. Modifications to externalize dependencies or control what
> > > files/modules are included might be something to allow? OTOH, if that
> leads
> > > to linking to different versions of dependencies that might not? At
> what
> > > point does a build turn into a derivative?
> > >
> > > It would be good to make more of this configurable in our build scripts
> > > anyway. Would really like it to be easy for a downstream build to
> > > pre-include nb-javac and JavaFX if they want to for example.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > >
> > >
>
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