Hi Alex, You hit the nail right on the head there *"We're happy to take your contribution to the installer to add support for sdkman"*
I don't use sdkman to manage JVMs on my mac, and I'd have no intention of installing, so I'd be willing to help point someone in the right direction[1], and be willing to test the PR to help ensure it doesn't break the installer for non sdkman users, but if users want this, they'd need to be willing to help contribute contribute a PR in my opinion... [1]: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/search?q=%2Fusr%2Flibexec%2Fjava_home Regards John On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 at 18:23, Alex Lewis <alex.lewis...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Just to offer an opinion of an average netbeans user regarding Netbeans and > sdkman... As of Netbeans 12.1, sdkman is explicitly supported for detecting > available JVMs. In my opinion it is an odd inconsistency for the main > application to support sdkman but not the installer. Besides that and as > far as I know, sdkman is a widely used tool for managing Java versions on > macos, even with its avoidance of java_home. In which case, not supporting > it in the installer impacts some amount of a large user base. By > not supporting sdkman in the installer it means an additional complication > at the very first step in using Netbeans and that to me feels unfortunate. > If sdkman was an esoteric tool used by a small minority then I could > understand any reluctance to put in the effort but, I have the impression > that sdkman's user base would be large enough to warrant the effort. I > obviously can't quantify that and I may be totally wrong about > its popularity, if I am then I apologise. I just think that if it was > important enough to include in the main application, doesn't that make it > important enough to include support in the installer? > > The blame may be on sdkman but, as a user I have not yet suffered because > of it, it's only when I try to install Netbeans that I run into an issue. > If that's true for a significant volume of other users then I suspect > people will believe the blame lies with Netbeans, regardless of what might > be the truth. > > I'm happy to install a java version outside of sdkman in order to install > Netbeans. I can even remove it after Netbeans is installed, which again > points to only the installer needing Java to be in > /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines. For others it might be enough for them > to just give up on Netbeans and not bother, which would be a shame for > Netbeans to lose (potential) users that way. > > I realise the answer may be "We're happy to take your contribution to the > installer to add support for sdkman", and I understand why that is the > case. I will certainly take a look at the installer to see if there's even > a chance I could contribute something even though native macos development > is not my forte but, I hope that sdkman support could be considered outside > of what I may or may not be able to contribute. > > I'm a very happy user of Netbeans and it's clear to see Netbeans get better > each and every version. I'd like to say a huge thank you to the team for > the great work. > > Cheers > > > > On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 20:49, Scott Palmer <swpal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > JDKs installed by SDKMAN don’t work with /usr/libexec/java_home. That’s > > why I believe SDKMAN should not be used for Java on macOS, it doesn’t > > integrate properly. (I brought this up to SDKMAN team and they don’t want > > to write any files outside of their controlled space. I get it, but the > > user suffers as a result.) > > > > You might be able to work around it by sym-linking the SDKMAN installed > > JDK into the correct location at /Libraries/Java/JavaVirtualMachines - > but > > if you have to manage it yourself, what is SDKMAN doing for you? > > > > Scott > > > > > On Mar 22, 2022, at 1:15 PM, John Mc <mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > Vote Closed, I will tally up the votes later and move the artefacts > over. > > > > > > @Djamel TORCHE <djamel.tor...@gmail.com> Sorry just seeing this now. > > What > > > output do you get when you run this in your terminal > > "/usr/libexec/java_home" > > > That's how the installer verifies Java exists. > > > > > > Maybe for NB14 I might do an RC for the macOS installer to help verify > no > > > late issues in future. > > > > > > John > > > > > >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 14:12, Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> +1 (binding) > > >> > > >> Checksum and signature checked. > > >> Installed and ran successfully. > > >> Checked module versions match git hash. > > >> > > >> JDK 17 Temurin x86_64 running on M1 macOS 12.2.1 > > >> > > >> Thanks John!!! > > >> > > >> Best wishes, > > >> > > >> Neil > > >> > > >>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 10:11, John Mc <mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> This has been a lot longer than I wanted as I got caught up with > work, > > >> but > > >>> here is the updated macOS installer for Apache NetBeans 13. > > >>> > > >>> Primary voting artefact : > > >>> > > >> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/13/Apache-NetBeans-13-bin-macosx.dmg > > >>> > > >>> SHA512 checksum : > > >>> > > >> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/13/Apache-NetBeans-13-bin-macosx.dmg.sha512 > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > 68cd93b697b8fa02013d4ab69f773a93c3c42f92498578470af6d808179d292649b85bdb946a9bc75d9cc94aba3d4c8e0d0a3eb3fee565ab390810ad7b609b49 > > >>> Apache-NetBeans-13-bin-macosx.dmg > > >>> > > >>> KEYS file : > > >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/KEYS > > >>> > > >>> PGP signature file : > > >>> > > >> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/13/Apache-NetBeans-13-bin-macosx.dmg.asc > > >>> > > >>> Built locally using the artefacts found in the Jenkins job: > > >>> > > >> > > > https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbeans/job/release130/20/ > > >>> > > >>> NOTE: The distpreparation artefact from this Jenkins job was replaced > > >> with: > > >>> > > >> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/13/distpreparation.zip > > >>> The changes can be compared against the PR: > > >>> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3699 > > >>> > > >>> This vote is going to be open at least 72 hours, vote with +1, 0, and > > >>> -1 as usual. Please mark your vote with (binding) if you're an Apache > > >>> NetBeans PMC member. > > >>> > > >>> This vote is dependent on the main Apache NetBeans 13 release vote > > >> passing. > > >>> > > >>> Regards > > >>> > > >>> John > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > >> > > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > >
