On 12.04.23 10:15, Mark Struberg wrote:
Tbh, I'd rather stick with Java8 for now and then move to Java 17 at some point
in time.
you can do that right away. You don't have to take every step on the
migration path.
-mbien
Java11 is not as much used in the industry, it was kind of totally ignored by
some companies and bigger projects. It also imo doesn't bring that much of a
benefit for the code base. Plus the eco system is rather slowly moving. There
are still too many Java 8 projects actively being used and maintained in the
industry. And we still have Android as was mentioned.
There will be the time to move away from Java8, but right now it might be a tad
too early imo.
So I'm rather
-0.5
LieGrue,
strub
Am 03.04.2023 um 18:10 schrieb Michael Bien <mbie...@gmail.com>:
+1 from my side!
very well thought out proposal in my opinion.
The LTS-1 model is also easy to communicate and to understand which has some
benefits in itself.
Further, the option to branch a NetBeans LTS release if there is such demand
should cover all eventualities. I agree that we
should be open to that option, assuming there is enough interest and branch
maintainers can be found.
best regards,
michael
On 03.04.23 11:38, Neil C Smith wrote:
As mentioned elsewhere, I'm kicking off a process to bring this issue
to a decision. For various reasons, having a decision before we
branch off NB18 is desirable. I've drawn up a draft proposal (below)
that tries to encompass most of what has been expressed, and hopefully
achieves that - thanks to those who have already given feedback in its
iteration.
This thread will be active for 7 days. Expressions of support and
disagreement welcomed. In particular, if you -1 please offer an
alternative to all or part of this proposal that you're able to help
implement. We should try and reach a consensus position that removes
any block. If after the 7 days we cannot do this, then we move to a
vote on this with any agreed amendments.
See also the page at
https://community.apache.org/committers/consensusBuilding.html
Thanks, Neil
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# Proposed policy
* Apache NetBeans 18 will be the last release to support running the
platform on JDK 8.
* From Apache NetBeans 19, the minimum JDK required to build and run
the IDE or platform will be JDK 11.
* Future releases will take an "LTS-1" strategy for building and
running (and CI testing) of the IDE and platform. Three JDKs will be
supported at any one time - the current JDK, plus the previous two LTS
releases. eg. NetBeans 20 and 21 (Nov 2023 / Feb 2024) will support
JDK 11, 17 and 21. NetBeans 22 (May 2024) will support JDK 17, 21 and
22.
## Background
The Apache NetBeans IDE has officially required JDK 11 to build and
run since NetBeans 13 in March 2022. The platform (and unofficially
the IDE) have continued to support running on JDK 8 - all modules
requiring a higher JDK must currently be optional. Various tests have
continued on JDK 8.
This situation is causing issues as workarounds must be found for
currently non-optional features that have dependencies or other
requirements for running on a higher JDK (eg. Maven indexing / Lucene
[1]). It's causing delays, complications and missed testing time in
integration of new features (eg. problems merging support for EE 10
[2]). Supporting an increasing range of JDKs is causing increasing
workload, both for people and CI. Meeting the challenges of deprecated
(for removal) features in the JDK is also complicated by the
additional JDK requirements.
## Notes
* Apache NetBeans users will continue to be recommended to use the
current or latest LTS JDK to run the IDE. The IDE will continue to
support users developing projects for/with JDK 8, for as long as
nb-javac and other dependencies allow.
* This proposal specifically doesn't address when the default bytecode
level across the codebase is increased. This can happen when required,
but non-optional modules would be free to adopt the minimum JDK as
they need to.
* Optional modules may continue to require a runtime JDK higher than
the minimum. Should it become necessary, build time optional modules
might be considered - eg. a build on the minimum JDK may exclude
modules that will not run on that JDK at runtime.
* Some modules that are of independent use (eg. lookup, utilities,
etc.) might be nominated and advertised to continue JDK 8 support for
the time being. This is not expected to cover the runtime container as
a whole - https://netbeans.apache.org/tutorials/nbm-runtime-container.html
* Once NetBeans 19 is released, the NetBeans 18 release branch could
be used to backport and release JDK 8 supporting fixes, subject to any
PMC members wanting to manage those releases.
* The term "platform" is used in reference to the whole framework of
modules that we release (eg. via Maven), not just the platform
cluster.
[1] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4999
[2] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4692
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