>> "Oracle has begun conversations with interested parties in the Java
>> ecosystem on the stewardship of JavaFX, Swing and AWT beyond the above
>> referenced timeframes."

> Does anyone know Who? How? Terms? Or, how can we get involved?

Yes, I sure hope Apache is involved.

--emi

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On 10 March 2018 7:50 AM, Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org> wrote:

> On Mar 9, 2018 18:16, "Neil C Smith" neilcsm...@apache.org wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 at 22:31 Matthias Bläsingmblaes...@doppel-helix.eu
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Oracle is still committed to Swing and AWT to at least 2026. There is
> > 
> > no mention of removing it.
> > 
> > So we should keep calm.
> 
> Calm is good :-)
> 
> Still, that particular date is just talking about the end of commercial
> 
> support for Java SE 11 isn't it? Unless I missed something, there isn't
> 
> anything about what happens in Java SE 12, which is only ~12 months away.
> 
> Exactly, and my original email didn't suggest freaking out. It did suggest
> 
> we need to be aware of what this means, and decide how to make sure we can
> 
> support "the" core dependency besides Java at this point. Does it mean
> 
> other tech, or does it mean getting more involved?
> 
> At a minimum the messaging for FX is that it didn't take off, and it has a
> 
> niche following, and mobile first and web technology has offset its
> 
> original goals.
> 
> Given that, other than some developer tools and "niche" applications, who
> 
> is using Swing? It's a rhetorical question.
> 
> Many today, I suppose most, think apps should be mobile or web, and unless
> 
> in the various markets, that have value for applications which aren't web
> 
> applications, but not as consumer visible, would think such things are
> 
> niche, even though that's a pretty big niche, and apparently an oxymoron,
> 
> if one takes the different technologies used to build installed desktop
> 
> apps including Qt, .Net, Electron (Slack or VS Code anyone), Natives,
> 
> Eclipse, others, and of course Swing (NB RCP) and Java FX along with their
> 
> domains/applicable use cases.
> 
> Maybe nothing near term to worry about, but I think without other
> 
> involvement, AWT & Swing are being looked at for something. This is also in
> 
> that document:
> 
> "Oracle has begun conversations with interested parties in the Java
> 
> ecosystem on the stewardship of JavaFX, Swing and AWT beyond the above
> 
> referenced timeframes."
> 
> Does anyone know Who? How? Terms? Or, how can we get involved?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Wade


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