Just bear in mind that we're new to all this. Can you tone down your exasperation and try to bear that in mind?
I think we should definitely revisit this, if it's causing problems and confusion, we could start a new thread to discuss this. Also, can you join this mailing list, right now I have to moderate each mail you send, and I'm not always on-line, so sometimes it's going to be even more exasperating to you, to see your messages not appearing here. Gj On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 8:05 PM William L. Thomson Jr. <w...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 19:48:46 +0200 > Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote: > > > See the below: > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/692fee91f7e24dcfffa099593c758772216d130c21ca97c689a294f8@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > > > We've ended up following guidance from our mentors, there are simply > > too many conflicting points of view throughout Apache. > > Why do NO other Apache projects follow this tagging format? Why is this > being imposed on only Netbeans? Who at Apache can I contact to get this > resolved? > > > The craziness had to stop and so we're following the guidelines our > > Apache mentors have provided. > > They are the ones causing the craziness. That email, link provided > above, should include a link to an official Apache policy on tags. That > seems more like one persons opinion than an official Apache policy. > > This says nothing about -vc tags or any tags as part of voting or > release process > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes > > In fact if you follow into the glossary it clearly states votes should > be on release candidates.... It literally states to be voted on.... > https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ReleaseCandidate > > No other incubating projects have those crazy -vc tags. I cannot find a > single Apache project that has -vc tags. I would push back on these so > called Mentors.... > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/releases > https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases > https://github.com/apache/incubator-superset/releases > https://github.com/apache/incubator-airflow/releases > > There are a lot more incubating projects. I am seriously trying to find > another Apache project with -vc tags so there is some justification. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 7:46 PM William L. Thomson Jr. > > <w...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 07:14:58 +0200 > > > Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote: > > > > > > > No > > > > > > YES!!!! > > > > > > > the Apache terminology is voting candidate. > > > > > > Just because Apache terminology is voting candidate. That does not > > > mean it should be tagged as such. I package quite a few Apache > > > projects. NONE use this crazy format of -vc*. Most Apache release > > > are voted on. > > > > > > Please stick with common stuff, dev, alpha, beta, pre. For releases > > > there should be NO additional suffix. > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:06 AM László Kishalmi > > > > <laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I meant: I'm not sure that we need to vote on this. It's more > > > > > like a beta. Shouldn't we have called it beta at first? Just > > > > > for the further release processes... > > > > > > Yes it should be a -beta or -pre, or something standard... > > > > > > Examples of other Apache release that were voted on and released > > > without crazy tags.... > > > > > > You can see Votes > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@maven.apache.org/ > > > > > > No crazy -vc tags.... > > > https://github.com/apache/maven-resolver/releases > > > https://github.com/apache/maven/releases > > > > > > Some more apache projects > > > https://github.com/apache/tomcat/releases > > > https://github.com/apache/ant/releases > > > https://github.com/apache/commons-pool/releases > > > https://github.com/apache/commons-logging/releases > > > > > > I have never seen any Apache project use -vc for tagging a vote > > > candidate. They may exist, but the first time I recall seeing this > > > was with Apache Netbeans. Can anyone find another Apache project > > > that has -vc tags? If not then why is Netbeans doing this? > > > > > > This is what I had to do for 9.0. Nasty hidden change of version. > > > > > > > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/blob/master/eclass/java-netbeans.eclass#L17 > > > > > > I have to do something similar for 10.0-vc1. Which I also have to > > > add some other prefix, as I cannot use 10.0 -> 10.0-vc1 like I do > > > for 9.0. As 10 is not fully released, there maybe another > > > 10.0-vc*.... > > > > > > On github seems like 9.0 was never released.... What is the > > > difference between 9.0-vc* and 10.0-vc* ? Which one the release? > > > Which one is just a voting candidate? > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/releases > > > > > > If you must continue on with -vc tags. Please create another non -vc > > > tag for the actual release. You can have more than one tag for a > > > given commit. But really the -vc stuff is just confusing. It seems > > > only Netbeans is using this odd format. It is not standard. > > > > > > -- > > > William L. Thomson Jr. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional > > > commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
