I think the main problem we're trying to solve with the -vc tag is this: what happens when we start a vote thread and the vote fails for some reason? Then we need to make a new voting candidate and start a new vote thread. How do we name these artefacts, i.e., how do we distinguish between them?
If you have advice here, in a way that would solve this for us, as well as you, that would be wonderful. Ideally, just leave the exasperation aside (for which we apologize) and just explain how we can solve this, and we'll do it. FYI, the question "Who at Apache can I contact to get this resolved?" is always going to be "Start a new proposal on the dev mailing list and discuss your ideas, reach a consensus, and in a worst case scenario, we'll vote on it." Thanks, Gj On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 8:07 PM Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Just bear in mind that we're new to all this. Can you tone down your > exasperation and try to bear that in mind? > > I think we should definitely revisit this, if it's causing problems and > confusion, we could start a new thread to discuss this. > > Also, can you join this mailing list, right now I have to moderate each > mail you send, and I'm not always on-line, so sometimes it's going to be > even more exasperating to you, to see your messages not appearing here. > > Gj > > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 8:05 PM William L. Thomson Jr. <w...@o-sinc.com> > wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 19:48:46 +0200 >> Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote: >> >> > See the below: >> > >> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/692fee91f7e24dcfffa099593c758772216d130c21ca97c689a294f8@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E >> > >> > We've ended up following guidance from our mentors, there are simply >> > too many conflicting points of view throughout Apache. >> >> Why do NO other Apache projects follow this tagging format? Why is this >> being imposed on only Netbeans? Who at Apache can I contact to get this >> resolved? >> >> > The craziness had to stop and so we're following the guidelines our >> > Apache mentors have provided. >> >> They are the ones causing the craziness. That email, link provided >> above, should include a link to an official Apache policy on tags. That >> seems more like one persons opinion than an official Apache policy. >> >> This says nothing about -vc tags or any tags as part of voting or >> release process >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes >> >> In fact if you follow into the glossary it clearly states votes should >> be on release candidates.... It literally states to be voted on.... >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ReleaseCandidate >> >> No other incubating projects have those crazy -vc tags. I cannot find a >> single Apache project that has -vc tags. I would push back on these so >> called Mentors.... >> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/releases >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-superset/releases >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-airflow/releases >> >> There are a lot more incubating projects. I am seriously trying to find >> another Apache project with -vc tags so there is some justification. >> >> >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Gj >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 7:46 PM William L. Thomson Jr. >> > <w...@o-sinc.com> wrote: >> > >> > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 07:14:58 +0200 >> > > Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote: >> > > >> > > > No >> > > >> > > YES!!!! >> > > >> > > > the Apache terminology is voting candidate. >> > > >> > > Just because Apache terminology is voting candidate. That does not >> > > mean it should be tagged as such. I package quite a few Apache >> > > projects. NONE use this crazy format of -vc*. Most Apache release >> > > are voted on. >> > > >> > > Please stick with common stuff, dev, alpha, beta, pre. For releases >> > > there should be NO additional suffix. >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:06 AM László Kishalmi >> > > > <laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > I meant: I'm not sure that we need to vote on this. It's more >> > > > > like a beta. Shouldn't we have called it beta at first? Just >> > > > > for the further release processes... >> > > >> > > Yes it should be a -beta or -pre, or something standard... >> > > >> > > Examples of other Apache release that were voted on and released >> > > without crazy tags.... >> > > >> > > You can see Votes >> > > https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@maven.apache.org/ >> > > >> > > No crazy -vc tags.... >> > > https://github.com/apache/maven-resolver/releases >> > > https://github.com/apache/maven/releases >> > > >> > > Some more apache projects >> > > https://github.com/apache/tomcat/releases >> > > https://github.com/apache/ant/releases >> > > https://github.com/apache/commons-pool/releases >> > > https://github.com/apache/commons-logging/releases >> > > >> > > I have never seen any Apache project use -vc for tagging a vote >> > > candidate. They may exist, but the first time I recall seeing this >> > > was with Apache Netbeans. Can anyone find another Apache project >> > > that has -vc tags? If not then why is Netbeans doing this? >> > > >> > > This is what I had to do for 9.0. Nasty hidden change of version. >> > > >> > > >> https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/blob/master/eclass/java-netbeans.eclass#L17 >> > > >> > > I have to do something similar for 10.0-vc1. Which I also have to >> > > add some other prefix, as I cannot use 10.0 -> 10.0-vc1 like I do >> > > for 9.0. As 10 is not fully released, there maybe another >> > > 10.0-vc*.... >> > > >> > > On github seems like 9.0 was never released.... What is the >> > > difference between 9.0-vc* and 10.0-vc* ? Which one the release? >> > > Which one is just a voting candidate? >> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/releases >> > > >> > > If you must continue on with -vc tags. Please create another non -vc >> > > tag for the actual release. You can have more than one tag for a >> > > given commit. But really the -vc stuff is just confusing. It seems >> > > only Netbeans is using this odd format. It is not standard. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > William L. Thomson Jr. >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > > dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional >> > > commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >> > > >> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> >> >> -- >> William L. Thomson Jr. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> >> >> >>
