Jenn Apologies for the delayed feedback.
I agree it could be more concise but feel like the proposed is too concise to as have lost some important meaning. Many projects claim they're lightweight, scalable, and easy to use and almost always that just isn't true. We're arguably not 'lightweight' anymore. We could have said that when it was a 6 MB download perhaps but now that we're weighing in at 100MB's we probably shouldn't claim that on its own. We're certainly 'lightweight' in many important aspects and arguably in all the ways that truly matter but we should be at least somewhat specific. I agree we're scalable but again without context that feels misleading. I agree we have an extremely nice UI that is indeed highly configurable and intuitive but the same thoughts apply which is we should provide some context as to what we mean. This is the nice part of this as an open source thing. We can just be straight up and precise about the features and what they're good for and what they do. We can even be self deprecating and point out what we're not good at. If it were a commercial construct or we were marketing then we might need to be less specific so as not to exclude some potential business area. But in this case, we're a tiny little open source project that very few people know about. We're only going to grow by being straightforward about what it is and attracting those who buy in to that vision and direction. Just thoughts here - i am not asking you to avoid changing it should you feel really strongly that you want to change it. Thanks Joe On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Jennifer Barnabee < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Matt et al - > The new website design is looking great... I feel like the text needs to > be simpler and more to the point. > > For the tagline under the first Apache nifi heading, I suggest making it a > bullet rather than including the verb "is". I'd also like to make the > features into simpler bullets. See my suggested text below. I hope it still > captures the essence of what we want to convey, but others may have good > suggestions as well... For example, in the last bullet, I don't know if > "client" would be better than "user" or if "authentication" would be better > than "authorization". You guys probably have a better handle on that type > of stuff. > > *Apache nifi * > > - A dataflow system based on the concepts of flow-based programming. It is > currently a part of the Apache Incubator. > > > Apache NiFi supports powerful and scalable directed graphs of data routing, > transformation, and system mediation logic. High-level features include: > > - Lightweight > - Scalable > - Highly Configurable > - Intuitive User Interface > - Component-based Extension Model > - Fine Grained Data Provenance > - Enterprise & Inter-system Security > - Content Encryption/Decryption > - Pluggable SSL & PKI User Authorization > > > > *I kinda don't like that you have to scroll down to see all the features. > But I realize it wouldn't bother me if I was looking at it on my phone, so > I don't know why I'm complaining about that... * > Cheers, > Jenn > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Matt Gilman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I went ahead and started implementing the website based on the most > recent > > feedback and mock ups. I've done just the main page and put it here: > > > > http://nifi.incubator.apache.org/v2/ > > > > Please let me know if there's a more appropriate place to host that. > > Anyways, I am going to continue working to port over the remaining pages > > and figure out a good way to integrate the documentation that is > generated > > from building NiFi. Part of that is likely going to depend on what > > repository the site is kept in. What I've done uses a number of tools > > (grunt, assemble, bower, etc) to actually build the site. I believe the > > Apache CMS tool will be CMing the resulting site. Where do others CM the > > actual development artifacts of their sites? I did find another Apache > > project with a similar set up: > > > > https://github.com/jclouds/jclouds-site > > > > and they appear to have a separate repository for there site. Should I be > > requesting another repository for this? Or should I just add it to the > > existing incubator-nifi and have a top level folder for the site? > > > > Also, I also noticed that jclouds has a deployment script which appears > to > > automate that process as well. Is this how most projects handle site > > updates? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Matt > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Aldrin Piri <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Seems like a fair list of points to resolve. Let me know how you want > > > to tackle it and if you'd like me to investigate any of them. > > > > > > AsciiDoc provides an HTML5 backend [1] that should provide a hook to > > > help it be consistent in some form with the rest of the site. > > > > > > [1] http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/asciidoc.css-embedded.html#X35 > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Matt Gilman <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > Agreed. Lets see give it a try and see how it looks. I thought about > > > > possibly just putting the drop in the toolbar but held off initially > > but > > > > your comment about being consistently visible across all pages is on > > > point. > > > > This brings up another issue that the current documentation loads in > a > > > page > > > > without the toolbar so that'll have to be addressed. Haven't messed > > with > > > > bootstrap so I'll have to see what's possible. > > > > > > > > Outstanding issues... > > > > > > > > - Better integrate documentation pages into website > > > > - Get updated images (and properly scale them) > > > > - Update website markup for production use (what I did was quick and > > just > > > > for the mockup so we continue this discussion) > > > > > > > > Anything else I'm forgetting? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Aldrin Piri <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Matt, > > > >> > > > >> Looks good here. I think clean and simple is the right direction > and > > > this > > > >> is just another step in that evolution. I think it is a matter of > > > >> nit-picking at this point so the following comments come with that > > > scope of > > > >> importance. > > > >> > > > >> I would like to see the logo make it somewhere on the page > > consistently > > > for > > > >> the sake of keeping it across all pages in the site. I realize the > > > logo in > > > >> the navbar is rather redundant for the home page, but on all the > other > > > >> pages such as documentation and general project information, there > > will > > > be > > > >> no presence in the current state. One way to compromise might be to > > > make > > > >> use of the commonplace technique where the logo on the main content > > area > > > >> gets placed into the navbar when scrolling would obscure the logo; > all > > > >> other pages would then just have it in the header. > > > >> > > > >> Maybe a slightly heavier weight on the navbar for the menu items. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 22:51 Matt Gilman <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Aldrin, > > > >> > > > > >> > I like what you did here and it sounds like most people do too. I > > > wanted > > > >> to > > > >> > provide some feedback and minor suggestions but thought it would > > just > > > be > > > >> > easier to mock it up myself rather than trying to ask you to move > > this > > > >> here > > > >> > and that there. Anyways, take a peek and lets continue iterating. > I > > > think > > > >> > we're on the right track. > > > >> > > > > >> > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mcgilman/apache-nifi-site/ > > > >> > screenshots/index.html.lite.v1.2.png > > > >> > > > > >> > Matt > > > >> > > > > >> > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Joe Witt <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Dan, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > No real thought behind it. But I personally agree with your > > > statement: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > the logos look good as "nifi" and the text looks good as "NiFi" > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks > > > >> > > Joe > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Daniel Bress < > > > >> [email protected]> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Aldrin, > > > >> > > > I think this looks good. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > All, > > > >> > > > Maybe this is a little off topic, but I noticed that the > > logos > > > >> > > > consistently use "nifi" whereas in text its consistently > written > > > as > > > >> > > > "NiFi". Any reason for the difference? > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I kind of thing the logos look good as "nifi" and the text > > > looks > > > >> > good > > > >> > > > as "NiFi" so I might be questioning something that I am OK > with. > > > >> But I > > > >> > > > noticed they are different and was wondering if this was a > > > conscious > > > >> > > > decision or not. Thoughts? > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Dan Bress > > > >> > > > Software Engineer > > > >> > > > ONYX Consulting Services > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ________________________________________ > > > >> > > > From: Joe Witt <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 6:40 PM > > > >> > > > To: [email protected] > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Website Theme > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Solid design and agree with all your comments aldrin. Very > > nice > > > >> > > > On Jan 20, 2015 6:27 PM, "Aldrin Piri" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Mark, > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the comments. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I actuality tried it without the logo on the main page and > it > > > felt > > > >> a > > > >> > > > > bit empty. I don't know that we necessarily need the logo > > > there, > > > >> but > > > >> > > > > something is needed. Additionally, I viewed it as being > just > > a > > > >> > "front > > > >> > > > > page" inclusion, as other pages would just have the top > > navbar. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > You caught me. I was lazy and I recycled the screenshot > from > > > the > > > >> > > > > first iteration. It would definitely need updating, but is > > > largely > > > >> > > > > just a placeholder for the concept. I would definitely like > > > >> > something > > > >> > > > > a bit more engaging. (faux edit) I rearranged things a bit, > > > >> removing > > > >> > > > > the second instance of the logo and placing more emphasis on > > the > > > >> one > > > >> > > > > in the corner of the application. Not sure if I like it > > better, > > > >> but > > > >> > > > > I've provided the results [1] with all three of the > > submissions > > > >> shown > > > >> > > > > in chronological order [2]. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > The news section is a toss-up for me at this juncture. I > > could > > > see > > > >> > > > > the need one for eventually, but I'm not sure if the project > > is > > > >> quite > > > >> > > > > there yet. It seemed a common thread among incubating sites > > > that > > > >> > such > > > >> > > > > a section was omitted whereas those top-level projects > > typically > > > >> > > > > included one. Given that the project is on the verge on the > > > first > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > the regular releases, perhaps this is increasingly pertinent > > in > > > the > > > >> > > > > near future. At minimum, one of the screen grabs from your > > blog > > > >> > posts > > > >> > > > > would be a good candidate. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > [1] > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/scr > > > >> > eenshots/index.html.lite.v1.1.png > > > >> > > > > [2] > > > >> > > > > > https://github.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/blob/screenshots/README.md > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Mark Payne < > > > [email protected] > > > >> > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Aldrin, > > > >> > > > > > I'm liking it! Definitely looks nice. Though I would > > provide a > > > >> bit > > > >> > of > > > >> > > > > feedback: > > > >> > > > > > I'm not sure that I would include the NiFi logo on the > > > right-hand > > > >> > > side, > > > >> > > > > since it's already in the top-left. > > > >> > > > > > From a NiFi 'brand' perspective, I would update the > > > screenshot a > > > >> > bit. > > > >> > > > > This screenshot is using the old logo in the top-left > corner, > > > and > > > >> the > > > >> > > > graph > > > >> > > > > shows all of the data disappearing before the > RouteOnAttribute > > > >> > > Processor. > > > >> > > > > I'd recommend we construct a dataflow that's more appealing > to > > > the > > > >> > > target > > > >> > > > > audience, perhaps integrating with other Apache projects > > (HDFS, > > > >> Kafka > > > >> > > are > > > >> > > > > possible, for instance) or using (S)FTP processor. > > > >> > > > > > Does it make sense to have maybe like a 'Latest News' > > section > > > or > > > >> > > > > something where we could post things like "Version 0.0.1 > just > > > >> > > released!" > > > >> > > > > etc.? > > > >> > > > > > I'm really liking the concept - nice job! > > > >> > > > > > Thanks-Mark > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 07:00:52 -0800 > > > >> > > > > >> Subject: Re: Website Theme > > > >> > > > > >> From: [email protected] > > > >> > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> I like it. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Aldrin Piri < > > > >> > [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > I found some time today to provide another look for the > > > site. > > > >> > > There > > > >> > > > > >> > were very minor changes to the core HTML as is > currently > > > >> served > > > >> > at > > > >> > > > > >> > nidi homepage and it is largely just a stylesheet. > This > > > one > > > >> is > > > >> > > > highly > > > >> > > > > >> > minimal and clean, still driven by Bootstrap and > directly > > > >> makes > > > >> > > use > > > >> > > > of > > > >> > > > > >> > the colors from the UI itself. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > A screenshot can be seen at > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/scr > > > >> > eenshots/index.html.lite.png > > > >> > > > > >> > with the associated code under the "lite" branch at > > > >> > > > > >> > https://github.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/tree/lite > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Any thoughts are appreciated. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Aldrin Piri < > > > >> > [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Sorry if this somehow gets sent twice. My first > > > submission > > > >> > > > seemed > > > >> > > > > to > > > >> > > > > >> > > bounce as it exceeded the spam threshold when I sent > > it a > > > >> > couple > > > >> > > > of > > > >> > > > > >> > > hours ago and it has yet to appear, so I'm sending > > again. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > First and foremost, good feedback. I think UI/UX > stuff > > > is > > > >> > > tricky > > > >> > > > > and > > > >> > > > > >> > > I am happy to find my livelihood in the plumbing and > > > behind > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > scenes > > > >> > > > > >> > > work. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Here's my attempt to try and tackle all the comments > in > > > one > > > >> > fell > > > >> > > > > swoop: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > I agree that Bootstrap is everywhere, but I don't > > > >> necessarily > > > >> > > > think > > > >> > > > > >> > > that is a bad thing. One could argue that interfaces > > of > > > all > > > >> > > forms > > > >> > > > > are > > > >> > > > > >> > > converging and users have the instant familiarity of > a > > > known > > > >> > > > > quantity. > > > >> > > > > >> > > I know that I am totally unaware of what it takes to > > > make a > > > >> > site > > > >> > > > > both > > > >> > > > > >> > > functional and maintain its feel across devices. I > > think > > > >> that > > > >> > > > last > > > >> > > > > >> > > part is important. Personally, as a user on the > other > > > side > > > >> of > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > > screen, I don't really understand why sites do not > work > > > or > > > >> > jive > > > >> > > > with > > > >> > > > > >> > > my mobile device du jour these days; it should just > > work. > > > >> > With > > > >> > > > what > > > >> > > > > >> > > little I've learned about UX and "Not Making [Anyone] > > > >> > > Think,"[1] I > > > >> > > > > >> > > want an effortless experience; no pinch zooming, tap > > > >> panning, > > > >> > > etc. > > > >> > > > > If > > > >> > > > > >> > > there is a way to take bits and pieces of bootstrap > to > > > this > > > >> > end > > > >> > > to > > > >> > > > > >> > > support that aspect without the cookie cutter air, I > > > would > > > >> be > > > >> > > > quite > > > >> > > > > >> > > thankful for some guidance on that front and do my > best > > > to > > > >> > > provide > > > >> > > > > it. > > > >> > > > > >> > > Out of the box though, the sample looked pretty > decent > > > >> across > > > >> > > all > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > > devices to which I had access, and used constructs > > > everyone > > > >> > who > > > >> > > > > views > > > >> > > > > >> > > content through a tiny screen is accustomed. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > I do agree on the front of the possibility of brand > > > >> dilution, > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > > I > > > >> > > > > >> > > think it is an excellent point for consideration. As > > > >> > mentioned > > > >> > > in > > > >> > > > > my > > > >> > > > > >> > > original mailing, consideration was given to > > integrating > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > > application's aesthetics into the core site. Not > sure > > if > > > >> this > > > >> > > > will > > > >> > > > > >> > > pan out in an appreciable way as I can see it in my > > mind, > > > >> but > > > >> > I > > > >> > > do > > > >> > > > > >> > > feel it is an avenue worth exploring. It may also > > > >> completely > > > >> > > miss > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > > mark, but with my new found web dev prowess, it > should > > > be a > > > >> > much > > > >> > > > > >> > > quicker iteration than the first draft. You'll see a > > > slight > > > >> > > > homage > > > >> > > > > to > > > >> > > > > >> > > this via the graph wallpaper that is featured in the > > > >> > application > > > >> > > > > >> > > itself. This was muted a bit by a CSS overlay to a > > level > > > >> that > > > >> > > > > seemed > > > >> > > > > >> > > okay, but I definitely hedged as to whether or not to > > > >> include > > > >> > > it. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Ultimately, I wanted to get something out to start > the > > > ball > > > >> > > > rolling, > > > >> > > > > >> > > establishing a base for successive iterations. I > know > > > that > > > >> > with > > > >> > > > all > > > >> > > > > >> > > the hard work everyone is putting in, the project is > > > closely > > > >> > > > > reaching > > > >> > > > > >> > > its first milestone for release, and thought it > > > important to > > > >> > > chip > > > >> > > > in > > > >> > > > > >> > > where possible to give a face to the project. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Additionally, I think this particular project needs > > > pictures > > > >> > to > > > >> > > > > >> > > demonstrate what it's capabilities. One of the > facets > > > that > > > >> > > makes > > > >> > > > > me a > > > >> > > > > >> > > believer about NiFi as a whole is that the end user > is > > > not > > > >> > just > > > >> > > > > >> > > developers. Citing the previous example of Accumulo, > > its > > > >> > > intended > > > >> > > > > >> > > audience is very technical in nature and, > accordingly, > > a > > > lot > > > >> > can > > > >> > > > be > > > >> > > > > >> > > expressed via the simple phrase of "key-value store." > > I > > > >> would > > > >> > > > > contend > > > >> > > > > >> > > that NiFi's reach is far broader and can't be done > > > justice > > > >> > with > > > >> > > a > > > >> > > > > >> > > simple phrase. For the casual potential user who has > > > strung > > > >> > > > > together > > > >> > > > > >> > > n-many processes of taking a file, manually > > transforming > > > it, > > > >> > and > > > >> > > > > >> > > moving it elsewhere, they need to see at quick glance > > > that > > > >> > there > > > >> > > > is > > > >> > > > > >> > > something that can automate this tedium and make them > > > more > > > >> > > > > effective. > > > >> > > > > >> > > Succinctly, the value proposition needs to be there > not > > > only > > > >> > for > > > >> > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > > technical folks who will use this as a framework, but > > > >> > > additionally > > > >> > > > > for > > > >> > > > > >> > > end users. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > The background for the header isn't awesome, but I > > knew I > > > >> > wasn't > > > >> > > > > >> > > violating any licenses if I generated it myself. I > > > viewed > > > >> it > > > >> > > more > > > >> > > > > as > > > >> > > > > >> > > a placeholder than anything else. Definitely not a > > front > > > >> end > > > >> > > web > > > >> > > > > >> > > developer, even more definitively not a graphic > artist. > > > The > > > >> > > > colors > > > >> > > > > >> > > came from starting with the logo dark blue and > running > > a > > > >> whole > > > >> > > > bunch > > > >> > > > > >> > > of filters and plugins via GIMP to get something. > > > >> > Additionally, > > > >> > > > > there > > > >> > > > > >> > > is a CSS gradient applied over top of it as well when > > it > > > >> > seemed > > > >> > > a > > > >> > > > > bit > > > >> > > > > >> > > too loud. It could definitely deal with being muted > a > > > bit > > > >> > more. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > [1] http://www.sensible.com/dmmt.html > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Tony Kurc < > > > >> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > >> Hey! It looks awesome! The existing site was put > > > together a > > > >> > > > > placeholder > > > >> > > > > >> > and > > > >> > > > > >> > >> we went with a very generic layout that worked well > > with > > > >> > Apache > > > >> > > > > CMS and > > > >> > > > > >> > >> contained all the information expected of an apache > > > >> process. > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >> This is a big improvement! For people new to the > > > project, > > > >> it > > > >> > > > gives > > > >> > > > > a > > > >> > > > > >> > nice > > > >> > > > > >> > >> upfront screenshot, with big fat links for things I > > care > > > >> > about > > > >> > > > > people > > > >> > > > > >> > >> seeing! > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >> Some things I didn't like about the existing site > are > > > the > > > >> > > > glyphicon > > > >> > > > > >> > links > > > >> > > > > >> > >> to "external" sites on the menu. I used "link", but > I > > > think > > > >> > it > > > >> > > > was > > > >> > > > > >> > meant to > > > >> > > > > >> > >> be used for "permalink". Also, we kind of took a > best > > > guess > > > >> > > about > > > >> > > > > what > > > >> > > > > >> > >> should go in each dropdown in the menu. I'm pretty > > sure > > > it > > > >> > > could > > > >> > > > be > > > >> > > > > >> > better > > > >> > > > > >> > >> organized. I'd also like to see the awesome guides > > that > > > >> > people > > > >> > > > > wrote > > > >> > > > > >> > have a > > > >> > > > > >> > >> consistent theme with the website and maybe have > pdfs > > so > > > >> > > > old-school > > > >> > > > > >> > folks > > > >> > > > > >> > >> can print them out (which may be a dumb idea ;) ) A > > pet > > > >> peeve > > > >> > > of > > > >> > > > > mine of > > > >> > > > > >> > >> projects is having a hard time finding the > > > documentation I > > > >> > > need, > > > >> > > > > like > > > >> > > > > >> > >> javadocs or specifications - and keeping around the > > > older > > > >> > > > versions > > > >> > > > > of > > > >> > > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > >> > >> documentation. I think we're still working on these > - > > > since > > > >> > you > > > >> > > > > retained > > > >> > > > > >> > >> the menu up top it should be straightforward to > have a > > > >> robust > > > >> > > > > >> > documentation > > > >> > > > > >> > >> dropdown. > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >> The blue you used is more of a reddish or purplish > > blue > > > - > > > >> the > > > >> > > > blue > > > >> > > > > used > > > >> > > > > >> > in > > > >> > > > > >> > >> the app is more of a greenish blue. I'm kind of > > curious > > > >> what > > > >> > a > > > >> > > > > greener > > > >> > > > > >> > blue > > > >> > > > > >> > >> would look like ... did you mock one up and it > looked > > > bad? > > > >> Or > > > >> > > > > maybe a > > > >> > > > > >> > more > > > >> > > > > >> > >> fundamental question, should the website evoke the > > > theme of > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > app? I > > > >> > > > > >> > >> don't know how I feel. > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >> Tony > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Joe Witt < > > > >> > [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> I'd say the two sides of the spectrum as examples > > are: > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> http://kafka.apache.org/ [super minimalist] > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> http://aurora.incubator.apache.org/ [ quite fancy > > > >> looking ] > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> Both in my opinion are beautifully done and make it > > > easy > > > >> to > > > >> > > get > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > content > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> needed. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> I think these (and others) provide great examples > > that > > > >> both > > > >> > > > sides > > > >> > > > > of > > > >> > > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> spectrum have merit. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> What is most important to me is that we as a > > community > > > >> rally > > > >> > > > > behind > > > >> > > > > >> > those > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> with the expertise and willingness to contribute in > > > this > > > >> > > space. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> Thanks > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> Joe > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Joe Witt < > > > >> > [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > Both are bootstrap based. Each is an iterative > > > >> > improvement. > > > >> > > > > And we > > > >> > > > > >> > just > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > keep iterating as folks have time, willingness, > and > > > >> > > expertise > > > >> > > > > to do > > > >> > > > > >> > so. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > I agree that this new look does not distinguish a > > > brand. > > > >> > > But > > > >> > > > > we're > > > >> > > > > >> > not > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > mature enough to worry about that yet. We just > > need > > > >> > enough > > > >> > > of > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > right > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > info laid out enough to help grow a community and > > get > > > >> > folks > > > >> > > > the > > > >> > > > > info > > > >> > > > > >> > they > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > need. We need it laid out in a way that multiple > > > folks > > > >> > can > > > >> > > > > >> > contribute. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > Once we have a release, recruit some committers, > > > >> > demonstrate > > > >> > > > > >> > progress on > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > the Apache Way and grow then perhaps branding > > > becomes a > > > >> > > bigger > > > >> > > > > deal. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > ..this motivates me to spawn another thread about > > the > > > >> type > > > >> > > of > > > >> > > > > >> > community > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> we > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > want to be... > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > Thanks > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > Joe > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Adam Taft < > > > >> > > [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> This isn't a downvote -- I think it indeed looks > > > good. > > > >> > But > > > >> > > > in > > > >> > > > > >> > terms of > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> constructive criticism... > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> I think the mockup looks like a very generic > > > >> "bootstrap" > > > >> > > > site, > > > >> > > > > >> > similar > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> to > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> a > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> million other bootstrap based sites. I'd > > personally > > > >> > almost > > > >> > > > > prefer > > > >> > > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> existing utilitarian website over a bootstrap > > theme, > > > >> > simply > > > >> > > > > because > > > >> > > > > >> > it > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> doesn't try to be anything more than what it is. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> This approach might be an acceptable tradeoff > for > > > the > > > >> > > > project; > > > >> > > > > >> > having > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> the > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> bootstrap look & feel is obviously a resource > > > savings > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > available > > > >> > > > > >> > at > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> the > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> right price point. But the site mockup > definitely > > > >> > doesn't > > > >> > > > > >> > distinguish > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> the > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> Apache NiFi "brand" in anyway. In fact the > > opposite, > > > >> the > > > >> > > > brand > > > >> > > > > gets > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> watered > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> down with this look. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> As a funny side note, humorously for me, this > was > > > the > > > >> > first > > > >> > > > > thought > > > >> > > > > >> > in > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> my > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> head when I saw the site: > > > >> > > > > >> > http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-04-01/ > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> Adam > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Aldrin Piri < > > > >> > > > > [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > In partial fulfillment of the goals of > > NIFI-162, I > > > >> set > > > >> > > some > > > >> > > > > time > > > >> > > > > >> > aside > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> to > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > put together something a bit more visually > > > appealing > > > >> > as a > > > >> > > > > face > > > >> > > > > >> > for the > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > project. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > My work can be found at: > > > >> > > > > >> > https://github.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > Currently, work focused around the homepage, > but > > > >> > similar > > > >> > > > > styles > > > >> > > > > >> > would > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> be > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > applied to more content driven pages minus the > > > large > > > >> > > > > headlining > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> sections. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > The relevant technology colophon is provided > in > > > the > > > >> > > README > > > >> > > > on > > > >> > > > > >> > Github > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> but is > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > primarily driven by Bootstrap, existing image > > > >> resources > > > >> > > > > included > > > >> > > > > >> > with > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> the > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > project and current site, and other "artwork" > > > which I > > > >> > > > created > > > >> > > > > >> > myself. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > I am neither a UX expert nor am I a renowned > > front > > > >> end > > > >> > > > > designer, > > > >> > > > > >> > so > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> all > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > input is welcome. As a "version 1.1" I would > > > like to > > > >> > > > adjust > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > site > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> to > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > converge more with the application. Ideas for > > > this > > > >> are > > > >> > > > > inclusive > > > >> > > > > >> > of > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> points > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > such as bringing the toolbar styling and color > > > scheme > > > >> > > from > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> application > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > to the site. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > If this seems like a reasonable path forward > and > > > >> there > > > >> > is > > > >> > > > > >> > sufficient > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > support, I can look at the next steps to get > > this > > > >> > > > integrated > > > >> > > > > with > > > >> > > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > project, optimization, and integration with > the > > > >> > > application > > > >> > > > > >> > itself. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > To aid in showing the intangibles that can't > be > > > seen > > > >> > from > > > >> > > > an > > > >> > > > > >> > image, I > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> have > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > a copy of this design hosted at > > > >> > > > > >> > http://aldrinpiri.com/apache-nifi/. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> The > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > links are currently nonfunctional as they were > > > taken > > > >> > from > > > >> > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > current > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> site. > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > Thanks! > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > --Aldrin > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >
