> >>> There is no workflow definition. DavidS started a thread, but so far it >>> has only general principles, no work flow. >>> >> I for one struggle to “define a workflow” without using the vernacular of >> the underlying tool (git + githug/gitlab/bitbucket). Best practices SW >> development workflows, today, are inextricably tied to the tools used to >> implement them; and the one common tool is git (I don’t believe anyone has >> or would suggest any alternative). >> >> There seem to be [quite] a few people here with devops experience, as users, >> and a few as disciplined admins. I think it’s incumbent upon those of us >> with that expertise and experience to come together and define a candidate >> workflow and present it to the larger team. > > But that also excludes all people from the conversation that don't speak the > language. At some point, the requirements must be expressed in a way that > communicates what it does to every person of every background.
Agreed, that document then becomes the “on ramp” and guide for those still climbing the learning curve. > > This kind of tool-based thinking must also be constantly be monitored so that > it does not degenerate in a what-is-best-for-the-tool conversation instead of > a what-is best-for-end-user conversation. The latter critical. Often people > will sacrifice usability to make tool integration easier. We cannot let that > happen. Again, I could not agree with you more. This is why discipline is important. > > But I agree with you in part. The top level specification is like a boat on > the surface of the water and it does help to have a glass bottom to see what > is going on beneath. I like the analogy. > Those people with devops should coordinate in another thread and make > proposals for top-level functional to the broader audience. We have enough smart and disciplined people here, I think we can do this. We should be able to spec from the top-level (no tool speak) process down the the nitty-gritty. And if we stratify the details, the resultant docs should be welcoming to all. I’d like to give it a go. Anyone up for this? > > Greg > > >
