To remove all license problem, the Brett's solution to download all
elements need to run selenium script with a bad license for ASF. We can
create selenium script under Apache2.0 license without problem. It's the
same for jdbc driver, mysql connector is under GPL.
We just have to gain for the stabilization functional.
Nicolas
David E Jones a écrit :
There are two sides of "compatibility".
This means that GPL/LGPL licensed works can include Apache 2.0
licensed works. It does NOT mean (and on that page it even clearly
states) that ASF projects will not include works that are licensed
more restrictively than the Apache 2.0 license, which means no
GPL/LGPL stuff in OFBiz or any other ASF project.
-David
On Nov 25, 2008, at 2:18 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
Shi Yusen sent the following on 11/25/2008 11:09 AM:
Just curious on these:
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/
http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/gpl-compatible.html
Is GPL/LGPL 3.0 compatible with Apache License 2.0 in a single
direction?
Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
在 2008-11-25二的 11:50 -0700，Brett Palmer写道：
Erwan,
The files that are not Apache compatible in the Selenium-RC
distribution
come from selenium-server.jar and are as follows:
core/lib/cssQuery
- cssQuery-p.js
- cssQuery-level2.js
- cssQuery-level3.js
- cssQuery-standard.js
- cssQuery.js
- xbDebug.js
- compiler.js
- strands.js
In my testing, the only files that seleniumXml needs to run (so far
anyway)
are the cssQuery files. These are LGPL licensed and written by Dean
Edwards
(http://dean.edwards.name/). I wrote him to see if he would be
willing to
change the license to something that is Apache compatible, but I
never heard
back from him.
The seleniumXml code only depends on the selenium-java-client.jar
which is
all Apache 2.0 licensed, so you should be able to compile the code
in ofbiz
without having to comment stuff out. The problem is you need the
selenium
server to actually run a Selenium RC test.
We could work around the Apache hosting conflict by having an Ant
target
download the selenium-server.jar from a non-Apache site (e.g.
SourceForge
where seleniumXml is hosted right now). The Apache Velocity
project's build
does something like this to download Jar files that it needs to
compile.
I would be interested in seeing your Selenium RC script that does the
updates, etc. Does your script integrate with an automated
builder/tester
like Cruise Control?
We are happy to contribute the seleniumXml code to the project. If
we can't
get the license problems resolved we can continue to use SourceForge (
http://sourceforge.net/projects/seleniumxml/) as an immediate
solution.
Thanks,
Brett
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
so can we make it work, put everything in the trunk except the
selenium
files, and let the user add himself the selenium files ?
In order to start the tests, we could think about the places to
record the
tests, and also the different scenarios we would like to be tested.
Have we yet decided of the manner to do it :
* start with an ant run-install, load data and run tests for each
component
* each component is independant from the others for the test ?
* have an ant task to launch the tests ?
Actually, we've made a beautiful shell script that updates, launch
and run
the tests, with a selenium RC. Is this a good solution, or do we
have to
think about something else ?
David E Jones a écrit :
There is a subtlety that has been mentioned a few times but may
be easy to
miss: Selenium may be Apache 2.0 licensed but it evidently
depends on
GPL/LGPL libraries (or at least it used to and may still, some
people were
going to look into that again now), and we'd have to include
those too, but
we can't do that in an ASF project.
In fact, if Selenium has code that depends on a GPL licensed
library, then
technically they are not complying with the terms of the GPL
because they
would have to license Selenium itself under the GPL to be
compliant. That's
one of a few reasons why we can't just throw it into OFBiz.
Part of the point of the ASF legal strategy is to make sure that
users of
ASF software don't have to worry about things like viral
licenses, so this
is quite important.
-David
On Nov 25, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
Selenium projects are under the Apache 2.0 license. So, what are we
waiting to integrate it ?
http://selenium-ide.seleniumhq.org/license.jsp
Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
I just wanted to remember any interested person about the Selenium
lience issue we crossed some times ago and is still existing I'm
pretty sure (did not check though)
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-680?focusedCommentId=12470728#action_12470728There
is where we see what GPL viral issue is all about :(Just a
little part
and all is polluted, at least from our POV)
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks for the link Brett,
Much appreciated
Jacques
From: "Brett Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
FYI,
Here is the link to the presentation on Selenium that I gave
at the
ApacheCon/OFBiz conference this week. There were several good
presentations
on OFBiz this week. Most of these are available at the
us.apahecon.comwebsite.
http://us.apachecon.com/presentation/materials/118/ApacheCon2008_SeleniumXml.pdf
Brett
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Will the slides be available on the Internet after your
presentation ?
I'm
not coming to the ApacheCon, but I am very interested to see
what
you've
done with Selenium.
Brett Palmer a écrit :
David,
We have been using SeleniumRC and an extension called
SeleniumXml
that I
will be presenting on at the ApacheCon conference next
week. These
could
be
called from a normal ant process or used in Cruise Control.
Let's talk more about this next week at the conference.
Brett
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:34 PM, David E Jones <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Erwan,
It would be great to have some tests that go through the user
interface,
but we don't have tools for this yet that fit into the
automated
test
system
in OFBiz (ie so they can run along with other tests, and run
automatically).
The goal is for the tests to all work with an "ant
run-tests" (or
"java
-jar ofbiz.jar tests"), and to cover as much of OFBiz OOTB as
possible,
and
then to also be easy to customize or comment out those that no
longer
apply
after people customize or add on to OFBiz.
If you guys would like to work on getting Selenium tests to
work
this
way,
that would be great. Others have looked at this and run into
troubles, so
the last idea I heard was to use something different and
that might
be
more
manual for initial test writing, but probably easier to
maintain.
At Hotwax we've written/recorded a bunch of Selenium tests for
clients,
but
they are difficult to maintain and as far as we've gone
they also
have to
be
manually run and watched.
-David
On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
Here at Nereide, we are ready to make selenium tests (it's
a task we
have
planned to do, but which is always postponed....).
So, if it's ok with you and that you are interested in
that, we are
going
to make it real !
David E Jones a écrit :
On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Adam Heath wrote:
BJ Freeman wrote:
there has been an effort to put in test units.
the only thing lacking, in making it complete is manpower.
And fixing the existing tests that are broken. :|
This is an area where it would be REALLY GREAT to have more
effort go
into the project. Yep, great enough to capitalize
"REALLY" and
"GREAT".
Who has worked on the unit tests that are in place? I'll
admit I
haven't
much except on the toolset and some of the framework unit
tests
and
helping
some of the Hotwax Media people who wrote many of the
tests that
now
exist,
especially the ones in the various applications.
Is there anyone interested in working on this stuff? If
there are
enough
people who want to actively work on it we can setup some
coordination
resources (ie Jira tasks, confluence pages, etc). If
there are
only 2-3
then
coordination through the mailing list would be better,
and more
visible
to
others possibly interested.
-David
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