I have to agree with Gavin - the only way to fix this is to fix the URLs.

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On Dec 10, 2009, at 2:07 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Tim, All (after all why only Tim should be concerned?),
> 
> I asked Gavin, as I expected  (to be more clear here is my question)
> <<Hi Gavin,
> Despite all other redirections work, we have an issue with old tinylinks 
> (begin by docs.ofbiz.org/x).
> For instance look at
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo#FAQ-Tips-Tricks-Cookbook-HowTo-Ajax:DisableBrowserCacheforModule
> I found this related FAQ 
> http://confluence.atlassian.com/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=162988142
> David confirmed that <<The current setting for General Configuration -> 
> Server Base Url is: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence&gt;>
> Could you have a look at this please ?>>
> 
> Here is his answer:
> <gmcdonald> erm, I think you better look at the ofbiz wiki side of things. 
> Having a tiny link inside asf confluence pointing to
> ofbiz confluence which is set up to redirect back to asf confluence is bound 
> to have problems, I would say that tiny links produced
> with the ofbiz.org url should be changed
> <gmcdonald> ... or at least check how redirection is set up at ofbiz.org, the 
> redirects directly from ofbiz.org in some instances
> point to the cwiki homepage instead of your space(s) ,this is not a tiny url 
> or asf confluence problem as I see it
> 
> Thanks
> 
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> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>>> I encourage people to use tinyURLs going forward because they will always 
>>> work
>> 
>> I heard this before ;o). I have asked Gavin at
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2347?focusedCommentId=12788583&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_12788583.
>> But I'm not sure it's the right side to ask.
>> 
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>> From: "Tim Ruppert" <tim.rupp...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> I don't think it's a good idea to put it back - we've moved it and forever 
>> there it will stay.  I also don't agree that you should
>> encourage people to not use the tinyURLs - this probably only happens 
>> because the Confluence servers were setup very differently
>> and with different purposes.  I encourage people to use tinyURLs going 
>> forward because they will always work.  This may be
>> something you want to check with the ASF on - they're the only ones who can 
>> qualify that last statement about the tinyURLs.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
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>> Tim Ruppert
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>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> It's depend how you see it. Facts 1st:
>>> There are still 59 old tinylinks (begin by docs.ofbiz.org/x) scattered in 
>>> the trunk.
>>> There are also 18 pages in cwiki with at least one old tinylinks in.
>>> 
>>> Some persons have tried to put as much as documentation in place these last 
>>> years. This in order to help the community,
>>> especially newcomers (but not only). Hoping also that it will help the 
>>> community to grow. I have always thought that an API, and
>>> at large a software, (with little imagiantion you can see OFBiz as a very 
>>> large API) without documentation is very less usefull
>>> or at least less efficient.
>>> 
>>> I think we begin to harvest a part of our effort, and losing a part of the 
>>> intelligence put there (I mean those old tinylinks,
>>> kind of synapses) definitely annoy me.
>>> 
>>> Alternative :
>>> 1) Forget it and let them lost. Hoping (without much faith) that when 
>>> people will get to them they will fix them, mmm...
>>> 2) Fix them by hand (have mercy ;o)
>>> 3) Let people know from now to not use tinylinks in cwiki. Export the 5 
>>> OFBiz cwiki spaces back to Contegix Confluence. Put
>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence in place. Re-export them to cwiki. Not 
>>> sure it will work, we may have to ask Confluence
>>> support before if ever we want to got this way.
>>> 4) Find something more clever using regexp. Maybe possible because we have 
>>> still both sources and I guess there are not much
>>> different tinylinks used at all. But too tired today for elaborating that
>>> 
>>> My 2cts
>>> 
>>> Jacques
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>>> 
>>> From: "Tim Ruppert" <tim.rupp...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>> Does that really matter now?  How can we fix it is the only question that 
>>> matters at this point.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
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>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 2:42 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi David, Tim,
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder if this should not have been done *before* the migration?
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> From: "David E Jones" <d...@me.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> The current setting for General Configuration -> Server Base Url is:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence
>>>>> 
>>>>> It looks like that is what it is supposed to be, and it doesn't appear to 
>>>>> be a setting that can change per space or anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -David
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In r888559, I wrote <<I have found a way to fix old tinylinks :D
>>>>>> http://confluence.atlassian.com/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=162988142>>
>>>>>> But I wonder now it this is possible by spaces else we are trapped :/
>>>>>> Could you have a look David ? I guess you are the sole person with the 
>>>>>> rights for that in OFBiz community.
>>>>>> We may ask Gavin also...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jacques
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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