Jacques, inline:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > Hi Mansour, > > > From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <mansour.alak...@gmail.com> >> >> Jacques, >> >> We use RTL. >> May be you are right about the the ease of use to find an item, but >> the user who has permission to all these functionality is an admin, >> and normally, she is comfortable finding any item quickly. The rest of >> the uses don't have that much items and menus shown. > > > This makes sense for a deployment, not OOTB. It's IMO easier to select Flat > Grey, if you prefer, for your deployments and to keep > Tomahawk as OOTB default for the reasons I explained and others I add below. > Yes, this will work. So you are offering a fancier theme for the demo purposes, targeting new comers, and developers, can make a copy of FlatGray and customize it. Sound good. > >> I know, other themes may look better, or fancier, but most users use >> flat gray to base their work on and extend/customize it, because it's >> easier and cleaner. I am not sure if bigger organization prefer >> fancier look and feel over cleaner. And to be honest, I think flat >> gray looks more professional than others. Therefore, it give a >> positive first impression, when demonstrated. >> >> Additional themes may still exist beside FlatGray, but I recommend to >> make it the default one. > > > What makes you think "most users use flat gray to base their work" ? Sorry, I didn't express it properly. I meant most user based on my experience. I have two developers, I worked with, extend flat gray, and customize it as they need. This is not a number that can be a base for a statistical study, and generalize it. It's only my limited experience. Sorry for the confusion. > Could you define "easier and cleaner", and why Flat Grey is easier and > cleaner (besides that it's the only one that is RTL which I > understand for you is a must have) Cleaner and easier in terms of usage: The menu is at the top, showing all the available item, makes it easy to see what I need in case I navigated to the wrong section, or need another section. Nothing hidden. In fact even as a demo, it has some positive effect. and Cleaner and easier in terms of development: Flat Gray code is not cluttered. (that is how I feel). > What makes you think Flat Grey looks more professionnal? For me Flat Gray > has not enough contrast. In other words all looks > grey/pale and it's difficult to spot things. I work more with enterprise portals than with ERPs. From what I have seen, portal severs default theme is mostly light, with darker high light. And I find FlatGray closer to them than Tomahawk theme is. For example: http://portals.apache.org/jetspeed-2/ and: http://www.liferay.com/products/liferay-portal/overview After all, It is not that hard for a developer to change the style of OFBiz themes to reflect the colors she likes. > With Tomahawk I quickly spot buttons, links, etc. because there is more > contrast. Maybe it's > If you read me, it's not about being fancier but ergonomic which is for me > the only priority for the community to use OFBiz OOTB > (contrary to deployments) It's the opposite to me. I find it easier to spot things using FlatGray. But again not a big deal. > > Also I'd like to know why Flat Grey is the only Theme being marked as being > Sight-Impaired Accessible? Adrian? I remember I began to > add <<title="Skip navigation" accesskey="2>> (which is really only a > small/poor beginnng) but that's for all themes. What is > specific to Flat Grey? > > The only things I could concede: > 1. Like 1 to 5% of the male population (women are rarely touched) I'm > daltonian (kind of sight-impaired ;o) so my vision about > contrast is maybe biased > 2. Maybe, because it uses a blackboard background style rather than a white > paper style, Tomahawk is more arduous for eyes on a long > term (hours of work) Yes. I can see this, and I agree. > > Thanks for sharing your opinion :o) > > Jacques > Finally, it's a personal preference. However, I like to keep FlatGray. Doesn't have to be the default, Unless demos in RTL needed. Thank you. > >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Jacques Le Roux >> <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >>> >>> I see that most people prefer Flat Grey. >>> >>> Let me explain why I prefer Tomahawk. >>> >>> Did you ever wonder why the paper we write on has more than often a >>> greater >>> height than width, why newspaper have many columns, etc. >>> Here is an answer >>> >>> http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3553/why-do-newspapers-use-multiple-columns >>> >>> OK, my argument: don't you feel a pain to find an application, a menu >>> entry >>> in Flat Grey? No? Then you are used to find it at some place and don't >>> care >>> anymore. Now just imagine the same for a new user... >>> >>> This is where Tomahawk is better. It's far easier to find an entry in 2 >>> colums (applications in Tomahawk) than in 7 columns (applications in Flat >>> Grey). Or an entry in an application (1 column for Tomahawk, up to 14 in >>> Flat Grey). Just try it >>> >>> Another point: Product screens are awful in Flat Grey (to many buttons >>> for >>> menus, hard to spot). Though actually I believe Tomahawk would benefit >>> from >>> a third column, for instance for Product. This could be 2 twin columns if >>> more than, say, 15 entries would show in a column. Like we have for >>> Applications, though not sure how it's organized. I mean why some are in >>> right column and other in left one? Also something wich could help spot >>> entries quicker would be to allow sorting entries in menus by language. >>> It's >>> now only done based on English. >>> >>> OK, now there is the RTL feature. Who use it? Few I guess >>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-to-right#Directionality). Which does >>> not >>> diminish RTL importance, but ponders it in choice for a default theme. >>> >>> My 2 cts >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vijaywargiya.ash...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> My vote will be to keep two themes in the project. IMO Flatgrey theme is >>>> the best to keep as the default one for the project. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ashish >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato < >>>> jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of >>>>> > them >>>>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two) >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey. >>>>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess). >>>>> No other comments so far. >>>>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there >>>>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras >>>>> we >>>>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project >>>>> for >>>>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this. >>>>> >>>>> Jacopo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >
