Le 06/12/2012 17:20, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : > From: "Scott Gray" <[email protected]> >> On 7/12/2012, at 12:43 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> >>> On Dec 6, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Olivier Heintz wrote: >>> >>>> If I correctly understand the commiter groups roles, it's to coordinate, >>>> animate and help the community to enhance (technically, functions, >>>> quality, ...) the project, not to force or constrain to work only on a >>>> short list of subject. >>> Correct, and no one is *forcing* anyone (again, please help to keep the >>> conversation relaxed): the committer group is helping to show some of the >>> priorities of the project but anyone is free to work on different tasks; >>> but of course this doesn't necessarily mean that the committers will have >>> to make it part of the project even if they do not think it is a good fit >>> (here I am talking in general, not on this specific topic). >>> >>>> Erwan works on software quality from a long time and it's not its first >>>> contributions on this subject. I don't understand why he should wait >>>> someone ask him to work on it. >>> See above (of course Erwan is free to work on what he wants but if he wants >>> to commit it to OFBiz and there are concerns in the committer group they >>> have to be addressed). >>> >>> Jacopo >> >> One thing I'm starting to get tired of is contributors (and committers) >> beginning major works without a thorough discussion about the suitability of >> the work for OFBiz before starting. I find it frustrating that reviewers >> are then forced to review under some sort of urgency because it is "ready to >> commit" and also made to feel like the contributor's time has been wasted if >> there are any major issues/disagreements with the design decisions made in >> the work. > I agree Scott, this is a *strong* argument! But I fear we can't expect all > new comers to know this rule if we don't make it more explicit somewhere, > near the root of documentation for instance? > > Also if I remember well Erwan worked on webdriver for a long time already. It > was even part of a Google summer code effort, IIRW. And Erwan interacted with > the community, so it's not new to us, right? It's easy to jump on it > afterward and criticize. > The addons for Apache OFBiz extras is another topic, where indeed you are > totally right. Like the new webhelp which will certainly sadly be put aside > now, since Tom deceased. I don't want to say all I do is correct, but for ofbiz addon 1) I have start by a situation status on my mail "OFBiz Plugin Management, status and propositions" 18th March 2) as proposed by Jacopo, work in OFBiz extra to be able to prepare ready to use tools to help ofbiz community testing it and doing remarks on bad and good point; 3) prepare a track on ApacheCon to explain how to use it and to meet other ofbiz community member 4) nicolas continue to help by writing a short howto
I understand everybody is overbooking by its own customer project, but we really try to follow PMC and commiter advices to present contributions > >> In regards to Jacques, I also find it frustrating that he encourages and >> actively participates in this behavior without actually really performing >> much in the way of design review other than a generic "does it seem like a >> good feature?" test. > There are 3 points we are/were mostly discussing at the moment you forgot portletWidget in the list, a large point too, with a lot of job to facilitate review : jira, sub-jira for each technical point, usage of example component, usage for party component to be more explicit, detail documentations include in ofbiz help, ... > 1) Neogia Addons > 2) New Webhelp > 3) Webdriver solr implementation is an other subject with a wonderful detail Jira > Unfortunately 2 is out of scope for the moment :/ And Yes I thought Tom was > doing a great job and I did not see any real pragmatic alternatives nor see > any in a mid term, apart some rants and advices... And I did design review > and even much hours of work, mind you. > > I did not encourage 1 and 3 in any manners before they were proposed to the > community, just wrote a line here and there about addons. They seems the only > *ready* solution we have to better handle not only components but also inside > components code plugin. They are also a perfect fit for Extras. I began to > give some feedbacks to the Noegia team, design review here is a bit more > involved, I guess you know that... > > And yes I find all 3 of them good for OFBiz, should I been chastised? It > seems you think so :) One more time, nobody search to find who is bad or who is good. I'm just disappointed that with 25 commiters, there is not enough time for review. It's not a blame, it's only a fact and we should do with it. I try to contribute on the correct way and to help to enhance the contribution process. >> Don't get me wrong, encouraging contributors to contribute is a great thing >> and Jacques does an amazing job interacting with the community as a whole >> but whenever a major work is undertaken without prior discussion then the >> contributor is taking a big gamble and they should be made well aware of >> that before starting. > Sure, but then we need to make that more clear to everyone, as I proposed > above for instance. But I fear something, which is actually already > happening, fossilisation... > > This is my opinion, and I'm maybe wrong. Anyway we need to continue the > slimdown effort and then see what will happen when done. We need all the > community forces for that, and we miss most of them... It's not only about > time or skills, but mostly motivation... > > Jacques > >> Regards >> Scott
