On 8 December 2014 at 20:15, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > On 8 December 2014 at 19:50, Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> wrote: > >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 19:37:41 +0100 >> Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote: >> >> > Am 12/08/2014 06:31 PM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: >> > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:19:17 -0800 >> > > Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > >> And, I didn't review the infra ticket on Cent OS carefully. Until we >> make a >> > >> decision that we do not want to provide Linux-32 binaries, we need a >> 32-bit >> > >> Cent OS 5 buildbot. I'' create a new ticket today. >> > > >> > > Possibly because most OO developers have 64 bit computers, we tend to >> > > overlook the need for 32 bit versions of OO. We should not lose sight >> > > of the need for such versions - it as a way of introducing people >> > > using older machines. Most of the older people I know (mostly 65+, >> > > retired) are using 32 bit machines, often handed down from their >> > > children. >> > >> > right, but do you really mean - or have heard/read - that they get Linux >> > machines from their children? I think it will be still Windows - and >> > here 32 or 64 bit doesn't matter. >> > >> > But anyway, yes we still need 32-bit binaries for Linux. >> > >> > Marcus >> > >> When I am asked I guide them to 32 bit linux to help older computers work >> well. If we drop 32 bit for linux, we effectively abandon that area to >> LibO; we have enough of an uphill fight regaining users from the inbuilt >> installation of LibO on the distros as it is. We shouldn't abandon that >> area. >> > > I dont follow the notion of "abandon that area", we have never had a 32bit > centOS buildbot or for that matter a 64bit, so we are not abandoning > anything, we are instead expanding. > > I dont know if we made releases available on centOS earlier, but for sure > we did not do it with ASF buildbot. > > rgds > jan i >
And a addon to the general discussion, if I may bring it down to something we can handle again. We can wish anything (especially around christmas), but fact is: - We have tried to change the ASF buildbots used, to generate releases (the configure options are set differently) for as long as we have been a TLP. - We have had a MAC buildbot for several month now, and its still not production - Last time (about 6month ago) when infra (in person me) rolled a centOS vm for buildbot, the interest was less the time it cost to write a mail so in fact it was abendoned. - There are no (and as far as I can see have been no) jira for a 32bit centOS. - Currently we have no release manager, and as far as I know nobody have asked to become a release manager. So may I politely ask, what have changed, that we now believe this will all go away, and we can have it all solved in a short time ? To me the above points are months of work, until tested and stable, and considering we havent even started, I think it is fair to ask, do we really want to wait until this magically happens ? Sorry for being very direct (its my danish style), but we need to get things moving instead of just dreaming...so who will take care of which of the above points ? I will make sure (with my infra hat on), that when the centOS (64bit) is needed, (meaning somebody will actually care for it, after having cared for the MAC buildbot, which Infra spent money on), then it will be there. rgds jan i. > > >> >> -- >> Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> >
