On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:30 AM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On 8 December 2014 at 20:15, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 December 2014 at 19:50, Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 19:37:41 +0100 > >> Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote: > >> > >> > Am 12/08/2014 06:31 PM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > >> > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:19:17 -0800 > >> > > Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> And, I didn't review the infra ticket on Cent OS carefully. Until > we > >> make a > >> > >> decision that we do not want to provide Linux-32 binaries, we need > a > >> 32-bit > >> > >> Cent OS 5 buildbot. I'' create a new ticket today. > >> > > > >> > > Possibly because most OO developers have 64 bit computers, we tend > to > >> > > overlook the need for 32 bit versions of OO. We should not lose > sight > >> > > of the need for such versions - it as a way of introducing people > >> > > using older machines. Most of the older people I know (mostly 65+, > >> > > retired) are using 32 bit machines, often handed down from their > >> > > children. > >> > > >> > right, but do you really mean - or have heard/read - that they get > Linux > >> > machines from their children? I think it will be still Windows - and > >> > here 32 or 64 bit doesn't matter. > >> > > >> > But anyway, yes we still need 32-bit binaries for Linux. > >> > > >> > Marcus > >> > > >> When I am asked I guide them to 32 bit linux to help older computers > work > >> well. If we drop 32 bit for linux, we effectively abandon that area to > >> LibO; we have enough of an uphill fight regaining users from the inbuilt > >> installation of LibO on the distros as it is. We shouldn't abandon that > >> area. > >> > > > > I dont follow the notion of "abandon that area", we have never had a > 32bit > > centOS buildbot or for that matter a 64bit, so we are not abandoning > > anything, we are instead expanding. > > > > I dont know if we made releases available on centOS earlier, but for sure > > we did not do it with ASF buildbot. > > > > rgds > > jan i > > > > > And a addon to the general discussion, if I may bring it down to something > we can handle again. > > We can wish anything (especially around christmas), but fact is: > - We have tried to change the ASF buildbots used, to generate releases (the > configure options are set differently) for as long as we have been a TLP. >
I didn't realize the config options were different. OK, good to know. I thought the config options used for the buildbots were the defaults for some reason. Ok, we need to double check this with Juergen who has been spinning the distributed binaries. > - We have had a MAC buildbot for several month now, and its still not > production > - Last time (about 6month ago) when infra (in person me) rolled a centOS vm > for buildbot, the interest was less the time it cost to write a mail so in > fact it was abendoned. > - There are no (and as far as I can see have been no) jira for a 32bit > centOS. > please see jira ticket -- 6217 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6217 This was originally for 32-bit So ???? - Currently we have no release manager, and as far as I know nobody have > asked to become a release manager. > > So may I politely ask, what have changed, that we now believe this will all > go away, and we can have it all solved in a short time ? > > To me the above points are months of work, until tested and stable, and > considering we havent even started, I think it is fair to ask, do we really > want to wait until this magically happens ? > I agree completely with this assessment. What are the alternatives to not waiting? I don't see that we have any currently. > > Sorry for being very direct (its my danish style), but we need to get > things moving instead of just dreaming...so who will take care of which of > the above points ? > > I will make sure (with my infra hat on), that when the centOS (64bit) is > needed, (meaning somebody will actually care for it, after having cared for > the MAC buildbot, which Infra spent money on), then it will be there. > Super! We need this! > > rgds > jan i. > > > > > > >> > >> -- > >> Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out." -- Lou Reed
