On Tuesday, December 9, 2014, Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/12/14 20:15, jan i wrote: > > On 8 December 2014 at 19:50, Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 19:37:41 +0100 > >> Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > >>> Am 12/08/2014 06:31 PM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > >>>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:19:17 -0800 > >>>> Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> And, I didn't review the infra ticket on Cent OS carefully. Until we > >> make a > >>>>> decision that we do not want to provide Linux-32 binaries, we need a > >> 32-bit > >>>>> Cent OS 5 buildbot. I'' create a new ticket today. > >>>> > >>>> Possibly because most OO developers have 64 bit computers, we tend to > >>> > overlook the need for 32 bit versions of OO. We should not lose > sight > >>> > of the need for such versions - it as a way of introducing people > >>> > using older machines. Most of the older people I know (mostly 65+, > >>> > retired) are using 32 bit machines, often handed down from their > >>> > children. > >>> > >>> right, but do you really mean - or have heard/read - that they get > Linux > >>> machines from their children? I think it will be still Windows - and > >>> here 32 or 64 bit doesn't matter. > >>> > >>> But anyway, yes we still need 32-bit binaries for Linux. > >>> > >>> Marcus > >>> > >> When I am asked I guide them to 32 bit linux to help older computers > work > >> well. If we drop 32 bit for linux, we effectively abandon that area to > >> LibO; we have enough of an uphill fight regaining users from the inbuilt > >> installation of LibO on the distros as it is. We shouldn't abandon that > >> area. > >> > > > > I dont follow the notion of "abandon that area", we have never had a > 32bit > > centOS buildbot or for that matter a 64bit, so we are not abandoning > > anything, we are instead expanding. > > > > I dont know if we made releases available on centOS earlier, but for sure > > we did not do it with ASF buildbot. > > sure all our past releases were built on Centos machines (32 and 64 > bit). This was discussed very often and the reason is that we need a > certain baseline that our binaries run on as much as possible distros. > You know we are not in the comfortable situation that the distros built > AOO specific for their baseline and include it by default. > > The ASF build bots are running on Linux systems that are simply to new. > Another option would be to increase the baseline and drop 32 bit Linux > completely. This would reduce the effort enormous but I am not sure it > is what we want. > > This baseline discussion might be difficult to understand for ASF infra > people who are building everything from scratch. But the OpenOffice > users are different and expecting simply a binary that they can install > and use. No its nof difficult to understand, but expecting those things to happen without requesting it will not work. E.g. the mac buildbot is solely for aoo so we could easy add 1-2 vm and thereby have the different mac versions covered. The idea with tethys (a physical machine) was the same, have e.g. ubuntu in the bottom and then specific vms for all intel based builds (that is my personal setup and works brilliantly). So the problem does not really boil down to infra not understanding. but a lot more that nobody in aoo (or at least so it seems) are willing to do the job (or if willing does not get shot down). just my pow, being one with a leg in both projects. rgds jan i > > > Juergen > > > > > rgds > > jan i > > > > > >> > >> -- > >> Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie <javascript:;>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > >> > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > > -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
