On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 at 19:59, Rich Bowen <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2022-09-30 at 12:24 -0500, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > Hi folks, > > As evident from other discussions elsewhere, there seems to be very > > little (if anything) to be gained from keeping Pony Mail as a > > podling in > > the incubator. The way forward is either graduating as a TLP, or > > retiring and keeping the development elsewhere. > > > > I would love for Pony Mail to graduate, so I am putting forward this > > thread to gauge interest in doing so. Essentially, we would need at > > least 3 +1s from the PPMC and other folks interested in joining or > > supporting the community. > > > > Here is my +1. > > > > If we get enough momentum, I'll draft the resolution for graduating. > > +1 > > I agree that the project has *nothing* more to learn from the > incubator. I am somewhat concerned at the still small size of the > contributor community, and all of my high hopes that people who > benefit from lists.apache.org would flock to contribute, have been > dashed. > > But there's no further benefit to being in the Incubator at this > point.
I agree that the podling does not need to *learn* anything from the Incubator. However, the Incubator is also supposed to be where podlings grow their community. I think it is wrong to excuse the podling from the requirement to build a community before leaving the Incubator. What will we say to other podlings that fail to gather enough community but are otherwise 'ready' to graduate? I think this is a dangerous precedent. > With my board hat on, I know that I am going to be asking, soon, where > the new contributors are hiding. > > As a PPMC member, +1, but, at the same time, I acknowledge that I am > an absentee member of the project, and I don't, realistically, expect > that to change in the coming year, despite my oft-repeated goal of > sitting down to learn the code more, and see where I can contribute. > > As to Sebb's remark about lack of response, for myself I can only say > "ApacheCon". I am *still* doing ApacheCon wrapup, and the last 2 > months have been all ApacheCon, all the time. In which case, I suggest waiting a month or so and trying again. There is no need to rush this through. It is quite time-consuming to graduate a podling, and also time-consuming to retire a PMC. We need to be reasonably sure that the podling has sufficient community to operate before starting graduation. Sebb
