+1 from me when the VOTE happens.
> On Oct 21, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Daniel Gruno <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 2022-10-19 17:20, sebb wrote:
>
>> I agree that the podling does not need to *learn* anything from the
>> Incubator.
>> However, the Incubator is also supposed to be where podlings grow
>> their community.
>> I think it is wrong to excuse the podling from the requirement to
>> build a community before leaving the Incubator.
>> What will we say to other podlings that fail to gather enough
>> community but are otherwise 'ready' to graduate?
>> I think this is a dangerous precedent.
>
> I am not advocating that this is the new normal, but it *is* the normal for
> these sort of projects. They just do not attract many contributors. There are
> *millions* of weekly visits to lists.apache.org, there are many other pony
> mail installations out there, and yet there is a very limited desire to
> contribute, just as we see it with other mailing list systems of the same
> type.
>
>>> With my board hat on, I know that I am going to be asking, soon, where
>>> the new contributors are hiding.
>>>
>>> As a PPMC member, +1, but, at the same time, I acknowledge that I am
>>> an absentee member of the project, and I don't, realistically, expect
>>> that to change in the coming year, despite my oft-repeated goal of
>>> sitting down to learn the code more, and see where I can contribute.
>>>
>>> As to Sebb's remark about lack of response, for myself I can only say
>>> "ApacheCon". I am *still* doing ApacheCon wrapup, and the last 2
>>> months have been all ApacheCon, all the time.
>> In which case, I suggest waiting a month or so and trying again.
>> There is no need to rush this through.
>
> No one is suggesting that this be rushed. My personal intentions were and
> still remain to be trying for a graduation in November or December.
>
>> It is quite time-consuming to graduate a podling, and also
>> time-consuming to retire a PMC.
>
> With regards to the social bits (discussing, voting on and formalizing
> graduation), sure. With regards to the technical bits, graduation is
> essentially a 15 minute job due to the improved tooling over the years. I'll
> not get into the retiring part, as I think that's a tad premature :-).
>
>> We need to be reasonably sure that the podling has sufficient
>> community to operate before starting graduation.
>
> If by 'sufficient community' you mean "being able to respond to issues in a
> timely manner", then I think we have that. I can't think of any instances
> where the ball has been dropped on any important matters.
>
> There are both volunteer and corporate-backed interests in keeping this
> project afloat.
>
>> Sebb
>
