Hi Alex,

I don't see any answer here - can I start with trying your instruction and
start release ?

Thanks,
Piotr

śr., 12 cze 2019 o 10:12 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> napisał(a):

> Hi Alex,
> just build from scratch right now and seems maven and ant was ok
>
> El mié., 12 jun. 2019 a las 10:02, Alex Harui (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
> escribió:
>
> > The merge is complete, and the main builds seem to be successful, except
> > for Maven on royale-asjs which was failing before the merge.
> >
> > I'm still catching up on other things, but I think there are some bugs we
> > need to fix before cutting the release?  I think ASDoc may not be fully
> > working?  What else?
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 6/10/19, 11:05 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi Alex,
> >
> >     Many thanks for that! I will try to be RM. I will have some dedicated
> > time
> >     for that. I will wait for your instruction and merge to develop.
> >
> >     Thanks,
> >     Piotr
> >
> >
> >     On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 7:31 PM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     > Well, that turned out to be much more time-consuming than I
> > expected, but
> >     > we can now create identical release artifacts on Mac and Win.  I am
> > hopeful
> >     > this effort will pay off not only now in having other folks
> generate
> >     > releases, but also in the future if signed binaries become a
> > requirement.
> >     >
> >     > There continues to be a lot of distractions in my life that can
> cause
> >     > delays, but I hope to merge the release_practice branches into
> > develop over
> >     > the next day or two and figure out where in the wiki to document
> the
> >     > release process.  So, now is the time for one or more people to
> step
> > up to
> >     > be the RMs for 0.9.6 and help debug and improve the process.
> >     >
> >     > I am going to try very hard not to "own" the process.  If something
> > goes
> >     > wrong, I am going to ask others to try to debug and fix it first
> > because it
> >     > is in the project's best interests for others to truly understand
> > how this
> >     > stuff works.
> >     >
> >     > Thanks,
> >     > -Alex
> >     >
> >     > On 5/23/19, 9:54 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     It has turned out to be harder than expected to get the same
> > binaries
> >     > on Mac and Win.  I now have the identical binaries for
> > royale-compiler and
> >     > royale-typedefs Maven artifacts and am starting on royale-asjs.  I
> > might
> >     > get lucky and the changes that fixed royale-typedefs SWCs will
> > magically
> >     > get the royale-asjs SWCs to match.  Then we have to make the Ant
> > artifacts
> >     > match.
> >     >
> >     >     There have been a lot of distractions in my non-work life which
> > has
> >     > also impeded progress.  I hope to make much progress this coming
> > week and
> >     > if we're lucky, I will be asking for a volunteer (or volunteers) to
> > test
> >     > drive all of this stuff and be the RM for 0.9.6.  I am not going to
> > be the
> >     > RM.
> >     >
> >     >     -Alex
> >     >
> >     >     On 5/23/19, 9:39 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> > >
> >     > wrote:
> >     >
> >     >         Hi Alex,
> >     >
> >     >         It's been a while since you have started effort with
> > automating
> >     > build.
> >     >         Where are you with that ? Are we closer to started 0.9.6.
> Do
> > you
> >     > need any
> >     >         help with this ?
> >     >
> >     >         Thanks,
> >     >         Piotr
> >     >
> >     >         wt., 2 kwi 2019 o 19:30 Alex Harui
> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid
> > >
> >     > napisał(a):
> >     >
> >     >         > Update:
> >     >         >
> >     >         > In order to make verification of binary release packages
> > created
> >     > on the
> >     >         > server easier, I have made changes to our build scripts
> and
> >     > tools to try to
> >     >         > generate reproducible binaries.  I've seen two different
> > builds
> >     > compare on
> >     >         > my Mac.   The next challenge will be to see if the server
> > can
> >     > build a
> >     >         > package on Windows that will compare on Mac.
> >     >         >
> >     >         > One of the changes I needed to make is to JBurg.  The
> > version of
> >     > JBurg we
> >     >         > use generates method names including a hash that doesn't
> >     > reproduce the same
> >     >         > name each time.  I have changes to JBurg ready, however
> > JBurg is
> >     > currently
> >     >         > under CPL which is category B.  We only need one file, we
> > don't
> >     > need or
> >     >         > want all of JBurg at this time.  The one JBurg file is
> > jointly
> >     > owned by
> >     >         > Adobe and Tom Harwood.  I've contact Tom and he will be
> > filing
> >     > an ICLA and
> >     >         > has given me permission to commit the lines he owns in
> > that one
> >     > file.
> >     >         >
> >     >         > This is the revision of the file that will be donated by
> >     > Tom/Adobe.
> >     >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >
> >
> https://sourceforge.net/p/jburg/code/ci/66c287943376a74ac791f3d3bf969ab160bf80ff/tree/src/generator/jburg/burg/JBurgGenerator.java
> >     >         >
> >     >         > Once this file goes in with the changes to keep the
> method
> > names
> >     > the same,
> >     >         > there will be more tweaks to the release tasks and then
> we
> > can
> >     > try cutting
> >     >         > a release.  I'm thinking we'll be at that point in early
> > May, so
> >     > now is the
> >     >         > time to get stuff in for the 0.9.6 release.
> >     >         >
> >     >         > Thanks,
> >     >         > -Alex
> >     >         >
> >     >         > On 3/8/19, 9:27 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com>
> wrote:
> >     >         >
> >     >         >     I would much rather have others find and fix issues
> >     > themselves.  That
> >     >         > way, more people than just me will know how to maintain
> the
> >     > system.  It
> >     >         > actually turns out that, IMO, a group of people can work
> > on the
> >     > release.
> >     >         > There are 14 steps.  Literally, 14 different people could
> >     > execute one step
> >     >         > each.
> >     >         >
> >     >         >     My 2 cents,
> >     >         >     -Alex
> >     >         >
> >     >         >     On 3/8/19, 2:13 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
> > carlosrov...@apache.org>
> >     > wrote:
> >     >         >
> >     >         >         Hi Alex,
> >     >         >
> >     >         >         amazing work! congrats to reach to this point! :)
> >     >         >
> >     >         >         I need to put my head on all of this, but count
> on
> > me to
> >     > be a RM.
> >     >         > I think
> >     >         >         the best thing should be that you be the first RM
> > to try
> >     > your own
> >     >         >         development at least for the first time, and then
> > the
> >     > rest of us
> >     >         > will
> >     >         >         follow you on the next releases. With all this on
> > place
> >     > we maybe
> >     >         > could
> >     >         >         release once a month or every two months...
> >     >         >
> >     >         >         Thanks for doing this :)
> >     >         >
> >     >         >         Carlos
> >     >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >         >         El vie., 8 mar. 2019 a las 1:55, Alex Harui
> >     >         > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
> >     >         >         escribió:
> >     >         >
> >     >         >         > OK, I've now seen Jenkins perform the steps to
> > build
> >     > the release
> >     >         >         > artifacts.  Folks interested in Docker-izing
> the
> > steps
> >     > are
> >     >         > welcome to look
> >     >         >         > at the jobs on the "Royale Release" tab on the
> CI
> >     > server.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >
> >
> http://apacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/view/Royale%20Release/
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         > These steps assume that the RM can run the
> basic
> > Maven
> >     > and Ant
> >     >         > build on
> >     >         >         > the RM's computer. I think that's a fair
> > requirement
> >     > since all
> >     >         > of us on the
> >     >         >         > PMC need to able to do that to build the RC in
> > order
> >     > to vote on
> >     >         > it.
> >     >         >         >  Jenkins does other tasks like run the Maven
> > release
> >     > plugin
> >     >         > steps.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         > Currently that results in binaries on Jenkins
> > that are
> >     >         > downloaded to the
> >     >         >         > RM's computer.  These binaries need to be
> > verified by
> >     > the RM
> >     >         > which is the
> >     >         >         > next phase I will be starting on now.  The RM
> > verifies
> >     > the bits
> >     >         > and then
> >     >         >         > PGP signs them.  And then the bits are uploaded
> > off
> >     > the RM's
> >     >         > computer to
> >     >         >         > Maven Staging or dist.a.o/dev.   If that
> > uploading
> >     > turns out to
> >     >         > be a point
> >     >         >         > of failure, we have the option of having
> Jenkins
> >     > upload the big
> >     >         > files and
> >     >         >         > have the RM only upload PGP signature files.
> Or
> >     > finding a way
> >     >         > for Jenkins
> >     >         >         > to get the signature files from the RM.  The
> > uploads
> >     > worked fine
> >     >         > for me,
> >     >         >         > but then again, so did the old script's
> uploads.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         > Therefore, once I get the binary verification
> > phase
> >     > completed, I
> >     >         > think
> >     >         >         > someone other than me should be the RM and try
> > to use
> >     > these
> >     >         > steps to
> >     >         >         > generate the release and help debug the process
> > for
> >     > the next
> >     >         > RM.  So,
> >     >         >         > please try to carve out some time to be the RM.
> > One
> >     > advantage
> >     >         > of doing
> >     >         >         > most of the work on Jenkins is that it frees up
> > my
> >     > computer to
> >     >         > do other
> >     >         >         > things while Jenkins is cranking away.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         > I think we're at least a week away from binary
> >     > verification,
> >     >         > maybe two, so
> >     >         >         > it is time to start thinking about what is
> going
> > in
> >     > this release.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         > Thanks,
> >     >         >         > -Alex
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         > On 3/7/19, 4:15 PM, "Alex Harui"
> >     > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >     >         > wrote:
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >     In case you haven't guessed, I'm testing
> out
> >     > Jenkins and its
> >     >         > ability
> >     >         >         > to create the artifacts and send emails.
> Please
> >     > ignore any
> >     >         > email that
> >     >         >         > looks like a vote or discuss thread.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >     Thanks,
> >     >         >         >     -Alex
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >     On 2/10/19, 8:44 PM, "Alex Harui"
> >     > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >     >         > wrote:
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >         Om,
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >         Well, that's what I used for the last
> >     > release.  I'm sure
> >     >         > there is
> >     >         >         > probably some inaccuracy in it.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >         That said, I'm abandoning that document
> > and
> >     > taking a new
> >     >         > angle
> >     >         >         > because that document presumed that the release
> >     > manager was
> >     >         > trying to
> >     >         >         > create a release on his/her computer.  I've
> > given up
> >     > on that and
> >     >         > working on
> >     >         >         > making releases from a shared computer for the
> > reasons
> >     > I've
> >     >         > stated
> >     >         >         > upthread.  I hope to make some progress on that
> > this
> >     > week.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >         The key difference is that the new
> angle
> > does
> >     > not
> >     >         > presume that you
> >     >         >         > have Git SSH and PGP signatures all set up on
> > some
> >     > computer.  I
> >     >         > have not
> >     >         >         > looked into how Docker would handle that.  You
> >     > certainly
> >     >         > wouldn't want the
> >     >         >         > Docker image to contain your SSH or PGP
> > keys/creds.
> >     >  And if the
> >     >         > Docker
> >     >         >         > image doesn't, then that is another stumbling
> > block
> >     > for future
> >     >         > RMs.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >         The other key difference is that the
> old
> >     > script presumed
> >     >         > you could
> >     >         >         > create the 3 release in 3 huge "easy" steps.
> > We've
> >     > seen that is
> >     >         > only true
> >     >         >         > for me.  So the new angle creates many discrete
> > steps
> >     > managed by
> >     >         > Jenkins.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >         So, it is up to you to decide what you
> > want to
> >     >         > "Docker-ize".  You
> >     >         >         > can try to Docker-ize the current 3 big steps,
> > so RMs
> >     > can try to
> >     >         > run it on
> >     >         >         > their systems, but I'd bet they will just faiI
> > due to
> >     > network
> >     >         > issues.  I
> >     >         >         > would be interested in using Docker to make
> each
> > of
> >     > these many
> >     >         > discrete
> >     >         >         > steps portable to another server.   I'm not
> > going to
> >     > involve
> >     >         > Docker at this
> >     >         >         > point.  My main goal is just to see if I can
> > create a
> >     > workflow
> >     >         > of many
> >     >         >         > discrete steps that isn't horribly painful.
> > Once we
> >     > see what
> >     >         > these steps
> >     >         >         > turn out to be, then we can worry about server
> >     > portability of
> >     >         > those steps.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >         Either way, we want to know about
> running
> >     >         > Browser+Selenium for
> >     >         >         > sure.  And maybe FlashPlayerDebugger or AIR.  I
> > would
> >     > want to
> >     >         > know, for
> >     >         >         > example, how you debug a failing checkintest
> in a
> >     > Docker
> >     >         > container.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >         Thanks,
> >     >         >         >         -Alex
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >         On 2/10/19, 5:18 PM, "OmPrakash
> > Muppirala" <
> >     >         > bigosma...@gmail.com>
> >     >         >         > wrote:
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >             Alex,
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >             Just to be clear, I am following
> the
> > steps
> >     > from here
> >     >         > to try
> >     >         >         > and setup a
> >     >         >         >             docker container.
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     > https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/wiki/Release-Manager-Notes
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >             Is this doc up to date?
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >             Thanks,
> >     >         >         >             Om
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >             On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 12:02 PM
> > OmPrakash
> >     > Muppirala <
> >     >         >         > bigosma...@gmail.com>
> >     >         >         >             wrote:
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >         >             > One approach is to have each step
> > in the
> >     > process
> >     >         > spin up a
> >     >         >         > docker image.
> >     >         >         >             > And use docker-compose to run
> each
> >     > step.  All the
> >     >         > images can
> >     >         >         > be made to
> >     >         >         >             > share a common volume where all
> the
> >     > artifacts are
> >     >         > stored
> >     >         >         > across steps.
> >     >         >         >             >
> >     >         >         >             > You are right about the
> networking
> > issue
> >     > though.
> >     >         > Any
> >     >         >         > network related
> >     >         >         >             > failure that occurs on the host
> > machine
> >     > will most
> >     >         > likely
> >     >         >         > occur in the
> >     >         >         >             > docker container.  Although, I am
> > not
> >     > clear how we
> >     >         > can
> >     >         >         > guarantee that the
> >     >         >         >             > same issues will not occur on the
> >     > Jenkins server.
> >     >         > I mean,
> >     >         >         > what is special
> >     >         >         >             > about the Jenkins server that
> > makes it
> >     > immune to
> >     >         > these
> >     >         >         > networking issues?
> >     >         >         >             >
> >     >         >         >             > Thanks,
> >     >         >         >             > Om
> >     >         >         >             >
> >     >         >         >             > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:48 AM
> > Alex
> >     > Harui
> >     >         >         > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >     >         >         >             > wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >
> >     >         >         >             >> Again, I don't know anything
> about
> >     > Docker, but
> >     >         > before we
> >     >         >         > spend a lot of
> >     >         >         >             >> time on Docker, I also want to
> > point
> >     > out that the
> >     >         > process
> >     >         >         > to create a
> >     >         >         >             >> release cannot really be thought
> > of as
> >     > "one
> >     >         > application".
> >     >         >         > It will be a
> >     >         >         >             >> series of "steps" to run.    How
> > many
> >     > steps
> >     >         > depends on
> >     >         >         > whether we think we
> >     >         >         >             >> can isolate enough stuff via
> > Docker to
> >     > be able to
> >     >         > run
> >     >         >         > Docker on the RM's
> >     >         >         >             >> computer instead of some shared
> >     > computer.  On a
> >     >         > shared
> >     >         >         > computer there will
> >     >         >         >             >> be dozens of steps because the
> RM
> > will
> >     > need to
> >     >         > enter
> >     >         >         > passwords to commit
> >     >         >         >             >> stuff.  On a local computer I
> > guess the
> >     > RM can
> >     >         > supply
> >     >         >         > passwords but I think
> >     >         >         >             >> there will be stopping points
> > where the
> >     > Maven
> >     >         > artifacts are
> >     >         >         > deployed and
> >     >         >         >             >> the staging repo is closed, and
> > another
> >     > stopping
> >     >         > point for
> >     >         >         > the vote.  It
> >     >         >         >             >> seems like Docker works by
> > downloading
> >     >         > dependencies.  Given
> >     >         >         > that the
> >     >         >         >             >> problem the RMs had last time
> > involved
> >     > downloads
> >     >         > and
> >     >         >         > uploads, why do we
> >     >         >         >             >> think Docker will really solve
> > this for
> >     > creating
> >     >         > releases
> >     >         >         > on local machines?
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >             >> The reason to do this on a
> shared
> >     > machine is so
> >     >         > that new
> >     >         >         > RMs don't have
> >     >         >         >             >> to do as much setup.  But then I
> > wonder
> >     > about the
> >     >         >         > efficiency of kicking off
> >     >         >         >             >> that many Docker images.
> Jenkins
> > can
> >     > manage that
> >     >         > already.
> >     >         >         > Does Docker
> >     >         >         >             >> have some sort of similar
> > Dashboard or
> >     > would we
> >     >         > use Jenkins
> >     >         >         > to kick off
> >     >         >         >             >> Docker steps?  I can't quite
> > picture
> >     > what is the
> >     >         > outermost
> >     >         >         >             >> control/dashboard.
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >             >> -Alex
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >             >> On 2/6/19, 11:03 AM, "Harbs" <
> >     >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >             >>     A quick search turns up
> this:
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     > https://codingsans.com/blog/selenium-with-docker-testing
> >     >         >         >             >> <
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     > https://codingsans.com/blog/selenium-with-docker-testing
> >     >         >         >             >> >
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >
> https://www.blazemeter.com/blog/how-to-run-selenium-tests-in-docker
> >     >         >         >             >> <
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >
> https://www.blazemeter.com/blog/how-to-run-selenium-tests-in-docker
> >     >         >         >             >> >
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     > https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/docker-selenium
> >     >         >         >             >> <
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     > https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/docker-selenium
> >     >         >         >             >> >
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >             >>     > On Feb 6, 2019, at 8:59
> PM,
> > Alex
> >     > Harui
> >     >         >         > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >     >         >         >             >> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >
> >     >         >         >             >>     > Thanks for volunteering to
> > try it
> >     > Om.  IMO,
> >     >         > even more
> >     >         >         > important
> >     >         >         >             >> than Firefox+Flash is
> >     > SomeBrowser+Selenium.  We
> >     >         > may also
> >     >         >         > need to run Adobe
> >     >         >         >             >> AIR's adb.  We could probably
> > turn off
> >     > the Flash
> >     >         > tests or
> >     >         >         > replace Flash
> >     >         >         >             >> with AIR.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >
> >     >         >         >             >>     > Thanks,
> >     >         >         >             >>     > -Alex
> >     >         >         >             >>     >
> >     >         >         >             >>     > On 2/6/19, 10:54 AM,
> "Carlos
> >     > Rovira" <
> >     >         >         > carlosrov...@apache.org>
> >     >         >         >             >> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >
> >     >         >         >             >>     >    Hi Om, that would be
> > great!
> >     > waiting for
> >     >         > your
> >     >         >         > experience with a
> >     >         >         >             >> that! :)
> >     >         >         >             >>     >
> >     >         >         >             >>     >    El mié., 6 feb. 2019 a
> > las
> >     > 19:31,
> >     >         > OmPrakash
> >     >         >         > Muppirala (<
> >     >         >         >             >> bigosma...@gmail.com>)
> >     >         >         >             >>     >    escribió:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> Yes, I agree with Alex
> > about not
> >     > being
> >     >         > able to run
> >     >         >         > UI out of docker
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> containers.  I never
> > thought of
> >     > the
> >     >         > checkintests
> >     >         >         > when I made the
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> suggestion.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> The firefox-flash image
> > that
> >     > Yishay
> >     >         > pointed out
> >     >         >         > looks promising.
> >     >         >         >             >> I will
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> poke around with it and
> > see if
> >     > that works
> >     >         > for us.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> Thanks,
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> Om
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at
> > 12:41 AM
> >     > Yishay
> >     >         > Weiss <
> >     >         >         >             >> yishayj...@hotmail.com>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> I’ll let Om or someone
> > else
> >     > with docker
> >     >         > experience
> >     >         >         > tell us if
> >     >         >         >             >> this [1] is
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> relevant.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> [1]
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     > https://hub.docker.com/r/beli/firefox-flash/
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> > ________________________________
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> From: Alex Harui
> >     > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
> >     >         > >
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> Sent: Wednesday,
> February
> > 6,
> >     > 2019
> >     >         > 10:05:54 AM
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> To:
> dev@royale.apache.org
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> Subject: Re: 0.9.6
> Release
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> I don't anything about
> > docker,
> >     > but in 15
> >     >         > minutes of
> >     >         >         > reading I ran
> >     >         >         >             >> into
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> this:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     >
> >
> https://www.channelfutures.com/open-source/when-not-to-use-docker-understanding-the-limitations-of-containers
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> Which says: Docker can't
> > " Run
> >     >         > applications with
> >     >         >         > graphical
> >     >         >         >             >> interfaces".
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> If you want Royale to
> use
> >     > Docker for
> >     >         > releases, show
> >     >         >         > that it can
> >     >         >         >             >> run
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> checkintests with Flash
> > and the
> >     > Browser.
> >     >         > Then I
> >     >         >         > will look into
> >     >         >         >             >> it more.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> The highest level goal
> is
> > to
> >     > make it as
> >     >         > easy as
> >     >         >         > possible for
> >     >         >         >             >> someone to
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> volunteer to be an RM.
> > Any
> >     > requirement
> >     >         > of "install
> >     >         >         > this (Docker,
> >     >         >         >             >> etc) on
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> your computer" is, IMO,
> > another
> >     > barrier
> >     >         > to entry.
> >     >         >         > Yeah, RMs will
> >     >         >         >             >> have to
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> have Maven installed and
> > maybe
> >     > Ant, but
> >     >         > you should
> >     >         >         > already have
> >     >         >         >             >> those
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> installed to be a
> > committer/PMC
> >     > member.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> That said, a good
> > takeaway from
> >     > the
> >     >         > Docker idea is
> >     >         >         > to try to find
> >     >         >         >             >> a way
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> to
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> make an "Image" of
> > whatever we
> >     > end up
> >     >         > with on
> >     >         >         > whatever server we
> >     >         >         >             >> end up
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> using so if the image
> can
> > be
> >     > copied and
> >     >         > used on
> >     >         >         > other servers.
> >     >         >         >             >> I'm not
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> exactly sure how to do
> > that
> >     > with Azure,
> >     >         > which hosts
> >     >         >         > my CI
> >     >         >         >             >> server.  I will
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> spend a few more minutes
> >     > researching that.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> I could not quickly find
> > any
> >     > way to get a
> >     >         > free VM
> >     >         >         > on Azure or AWS
> >     >         >         >             >> that
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> isn't a
> >     >         > free-trial-start-paying-after-a-year.  So,
> >     >         >         > unless someone
> >     >         >         >             >> comes
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> up
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> with a free server we
> can
> > use
> >     > "forever",
> >     >         > I'm going
> >     >         >         > to just start
> >     >         >         >             >> with my
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> Azure VM.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> -Alex
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> On 2/5/19, 10:59 PM,
> > "Carlos
> >     > Rovira" <
> >     >         >         > carlosrov...@apache.org>
> >     >         >         >             >> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    Hi.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    the plan sounds very
> > good to
> >     > me. Just
> >     >         > my 2
> >     >         >         > thoughts on this:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    1.- As I was reading
> I
> > was
> >     > thinking as
> >     >         > well on
> >     >         >         > something like
> >     >         >         >             >> Docker
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> and
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    see Om as well
> > thinking on
> >     > the same.
> >     >         > Maybe is
> >     >         >         > the way to this
> >     >         >         >             >> with
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> the
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    actual technology.
> > Seems VMs
> >     > are
> >     >         > stepping out a
> >     >         >         > bit this days
> >     >         >         >             >> in
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> favor
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> of
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    things like Docker.
> > Maybe
> >     > the same did
> >     >         > Git over
> >     >         >         > Svn, and today
> >     >         >         >             >> Svn is
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> an
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    old remembrance. I
> > must say
> >     > that I
> >     >         > have no
> >     >         >         > experience with
> >     >         >         >             >> Docker, so
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> doing
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    that will require
> > acquire
> >     > that
> >     >         > knowledge, but
> >     >         >         > seems it could
> >     >         >         >             >> be worth
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> it.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    2.- Maybe is not
> > possible,
> >     > but I want
> >     >         > to propose
> >     >         >         > to do this
> >     >         >         >             >> work I a
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    separate branch, so
> it
> > could
> >     > be in
> >     >         > parallel to
> >     >         >         > other
> >     >         >         >             >> developments. I
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> think
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    work over develop is
> >     > practical if
> >     >         > there's
> >     >         >         > something tiny that
> >     >         >         >             >> could
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> be
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> done
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    in a commit. But as
> we
> > need
> >     > more than
> >     >         > one, or is
> >     >         >         > a long
> >     >         >         >             >> process (like
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    this), chances are to
> > make
> >     > develop
> >     >         > branch
> >     >         >         > unstable and even
> >     >         >         >             >> for some
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> days.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    I think we should try
> > to
> >     > avoid that
> >     >         > scenario,
> >     >         >         > and branches are
> >     >         >         >             >> the
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> best
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    way. If we do this
> way,
> >     > we'll benefit
> >     >         > of more
> >     >         >         > reliable develop
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> branch.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    Thanks and good to
> > know of
> >     > this plan :)
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    Carlos
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>    El mar., 5 feb. 2019
> a
> > las
> >     > 23:19,
> >     >         > Harbs (<
> >     >         >         >             >> harbs.li...@gmail.com>)
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> escribió:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>> I’ve never used Docker
> > myself,
> >     > but that
> >     >         > might be a
> >     >         >         > good plan.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>> On Feb 6, 2019, at
> > 12:07 AM,
> >     > OmPrakash
> >     >         > Muppirala <
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> bigosma...@gmail.com>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>> I was wondering if we
> > can use
> >     > docker
> >     >         > images to
> >     >         >         > setup and seal
> >     >         >         >             >> the
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> RM
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>> environment.  Then
> > other RMs
> >     > simply
> >     >         > need to run
> >     >         >         > the image
> >     >         >         >             >> locally
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> and run
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>> the release scripts.
> > Might
> >     > be easier.
> >     >         > If folks
> >     >         >         > like this plan,
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> I
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> can
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>> try
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>> to put something
> > together.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>> Thanks,
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>> Om
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at
> > 1:40
> >     > PM Harbs <
> >     >         >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> In a recent
> > discussion, it
> >     > looks like
> >     >         > other
> >     >         >         > projects have
> >     >         >         >             >> gotten
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>> resources
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> from AWS.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> Whatever service we
> > use,
> >     > could setup a
> >     >         > “shared”
> >     >         >         > Royale account
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> that all
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> PMC members could
> have
> >     > access to.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> I don’t know if
> > there’s some
> >     > way we
> >     >         > could
> >     >         >         > leverage Gitlab’s
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> integration
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> pipelines
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     > https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/README.html
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> <
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>
> >     >         >         >             >>
> >     >         >         >
> >     >         >
> >     > https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/README.html
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at
> > 11:33
> >     > PM, Alex
> >     >         > Harui
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>> Well, the big hole
> in
> > this
> >     > plan is
> >     >         > that I think
> >     >         >         > we have to use
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>> someone's
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> personal VM account
> > (in this
> >     > case,
> >     >         > mine).  I
> >     >         >         > can't think of a
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> way
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> we can
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> run interactive
> > commands
> >     > like git push
> >     >         > on builds@.
> >     >         >         > But that
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> reminds me
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> to go see what are
> > current
> >     > options are
> >     >         > for
> >     >         >         > free/cheap compute
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> servers.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>> On 2/5/19, 1:20 PM,
> > "Piotr
> >     > Zarzycki" <
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>  Sounds like best
> plan
> >     > ever. Using
> >     >         > the same PC
> >     >         >         > by everyone is
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> awesome!
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>  On Tue, Feb 5,
> 2019,
> > 8:39
> >     > PM Harbs <
> >     >         >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> A big +1 from me!
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> Looking forward!
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at
> > 9:34
> >     > PM, Alex
> >     >         > Harui
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>
> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
> > >
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> wrote:
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> We are coming up
> on
> > 3
> >     > months since
> >     >         > 0.9.4.  I
> >     >         >         > have finished
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> the
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>> changes
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> to get production
> > Royale
> >     > modules to
> >     >         > work in
> >     >         >         > Tour De Flex.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >> Lots
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> of
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>> other
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> good changes have
> > been
> >     > contributed.
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> There were emails
> > around
> >     > the 0.9.4
> >     >         > release
> >     >         >         > about others
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> stepping up
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>> to
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> cut the next
> > release, but
> >     > that hasn't
> >     >         >         > happened.  I tried and
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> failed to
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> get
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> Apache Infra to
> > allow us
> >     > to run our
> >     >         > release
> >     >         >         > packaging on the
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>> Jenkins
> >     >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> servers.  They felt
> > there
> >     > were too
> >     >         > many
> >     >         >         > security concerns
> >     >         >         >             >> with
> >     >         >         >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>


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