Greg,

It looks like Ant compiler build is working fine. I'm waiting now for JS
only build of framework to be finished.

Thanks,
Piotr

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 8:31 AM Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying Piotr. That one at least worked it seems.
> I saw the problem elsewhere and first time it was because the compiler
> build had required changes and did not complete before the framework.
> The others have some issues, but I don't think it is related to my latest
> changes , because it seems to be the same issue as previous fails. I will
> try to figure those out tomorrow some time if I can.
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 5:08 PM Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Greg,
> >
> > I was thinking about ant build on Jenkins [1]. I didn't check Maven build
> > in a while.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> http://apacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/royale-asjs_jsonly/changes
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 6:48 AM Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Piotr, I hope I addressed the issue, but waiting to see...
> > > It looks like it has been unstable for last 7 days , am I reading that
> > > right? https://builds.apache.org/job/Royale-asjs/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 4:30 PM Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Working on it!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 4:29 PM Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Greg,
> > > >>
> > > >> After your merge the goal should be that build on Jenkins is working
> > > fine.
> > > >> Please make sure that is happen.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Piotr
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 5:32 AM Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I will stick with the plan of single commit, I think it should be
> > > easier
> > > >> > for you if there are any conflicts.
> > > >> > Last build testing is running now in local develop. I will push
> > after
> > > >> > that...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:15 PM Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Thanks Alex, I was planning to merge this as a single squashed
> > > commit,
> > > >> > > because it isolates all the changes to a single commit (but this
> > > will
> > > >> > mean
> > > >> > > there are many changes in one hit).
> > > >> > > Do you have a preference in terms of how easy it will make
> things
> > > for
> > > >> > you?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:07 PM Alex Harui
> > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid
> > > >
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> OK, I will wait to see your commit emails.  I will do some
> other
> > > >> things
> > > >> > >> like the wiki doc.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> -Alex
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> On 6/10/19, 8:06 PM, "Greg Dove" <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>     Hi Alex, I guess you might be back on Royale about now.
> Just
> > a
> > > >> heads
> > > >> > >> up: I
> > > >> > >>     am about 20-30 mins max from merging in what I have. Hope
> > > that's
> > > >> > still
> > > >> > >>     ok... please let me know if not.
> > > >> > >>     Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     -Greg
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>     On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:51 AM Greg Dove <
> > greg.d...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>     >
> > > >> > >>     > Thanks Alex - I'll try to hit the window, much
> appreciated!
> > > >> > >>     >
> > > >> > >>     >
> > > >> > >>     > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:57 AM Alex Harui
> > > >> > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >>     > wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >
> > > >> > >>     >> Hi Greg,
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>     >> It turns out I have a "split shift" today.  I'm stopping
> > > work
> > > >> for
> > > >> > >> the
> > > >> > >>     >> next 7 or 8 hours then will get around to the merge.  So
> > if
> > > >> you
> > > >> > >> can get
> > > >> > >>     >> your changes merged in that amount of time, then I will
> > wait
> > > >> for
> > > >> > >> you and
> > > >> > >>     >> deal with any merge conflicts (there are almost certain
> to
> > > be
> > > >> > >> some).
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>     >> -Alex
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>     >> On 6/10/19, 11:46 AM, "Greg Dove" <greg.d...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>     >>     Alex, slightly OT, but in terms of coordination:
> fyi I
> > > am
> > > >> > also
> > > >> > >> very
> > > >> > >>     >> close
> > > >> > >>     >>     to merging the language improvements branch into
> > > develop.
> > > >> As
> > > >> > I
> > > >> > >> already
> > > >> > >>     >>     mentioned elsewhere, I was hoping to do that a
> couple
> > of
> > > >> days
> > > >> > >> back,
> > > >> > >>     >> but
> > > >> > >>     >>     some recent things also took me a little longer than
> > > >> expected
> > > >> > >> (I have
> > > >> > >>     >>     additional local changes/fixes not yet in remote
> > branch)
> > > >> . I
> > > >> > >> was
> > > >> > >>     >> planning
> > > >> > >>     >>     to merge that today also.
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>     >>     However, I will wait until after your merge, so I'm
> > > hoping
> > > >> > you
> > > >> > >> can get
> > > >> > >>     >>     yours in today (if not, I will wait). I will
> probably
> > > put
> > > >> > mine
> > > >> > >> in as a
> > > >> > >>     >>     squashed commit after yours.
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>     >>     On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:05 AM Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > >> > >>     >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > >>     >>     wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>     >>     > Hi Alex,
> > > >> > >>     >>     >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > Many thanks for that! I will try to be RM. I will
> > have
> > > >> some
> > > >> > >>     >> dedicated time
> > > >> > >>     >>     > for that. I will wait for your instruction and
> merge
> > > to
> > > >> > >> develop.
> > > >> > >>     >>     >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > Piotr
> > > >> > >>     >>     >
> > > >> > >>     >>     >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 7:31 PM Alex Harui
> > > >> > >> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> > > >> > >>     >> wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Well, that turned out to be much more
> > time-consuming
> > > >> > than I
> > > >> > >>     >> expected, but
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > we can now create identical release artifacts on
> > Mac
> > > >> and
> > > >> > >> Win.  I
> > > >> > >>     >> am
> > > >> > >>     >>     > hopeful
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > this effort will pay off not only now in having
> > > other
> > > >> > folks
> > > >> > >>     >> generate
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > releases, but also in the future if signed
> > binaries
> > > >> > become
> > > >> > >> a
> > > >> > >>     >> requirement.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > There continues to be a lot of distractions in
> my
> > > life
> > > >> > >> that can
> > > >> > >>     >> cause
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > delays, but I hope to merge the release_practice
> > > >> branches
> > > >> > >> into
> > > >> > >>     >> develop
> > > >> > >>     >>     > over
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > the next day or two and figure out where in the
> > wiki
> > > >> to
> > > >> > >> document
> > > >> > >>     >> the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > release process.  So, now is the time for one or
> > > more
> > > >> > >> people to
> > > >> > >>     >> step up
> > > >> > >>     >>     > to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > be the RMs for 0.9.6 and help debug and improve
> > the
> > > >> > >> process.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > I am going to try very hard not to "own" the
> > > >> process.  If
> > > >> > >>     >> something goes
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > wrong, I am going to ask others to try to debug
> > and
> > > >> fix
> > > >> > it
> > > >> > >> first
> > > >> > >>     >> because
> > > >> > >>     >>     > it
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > is in the project's best interests for others to
> > > truly
> > > >> > >> understand
> > > >> > >>     >> how
> > > >> > >>     >>     > this
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > stuff works.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > -Alex
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > On 5/23/19, 9:54 AM, "Alex Harui"
> > > >> > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >>     >> wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >     It has turned out to be harder than expected
> > to
> > > >> get
> > > >> > >> the same
> > > >> > >>     >> binaries
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > on Mac and Win.  I now have the identical
> binaries
> > > for
> > > >> > >>     >> royale-compiler
> > > >> > >>     >>     > and
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > royale-typedefs Maven artifacts and am starting
> on
> > > >> > >> royale-asjs.
> > > >> > >>     >> I might
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > get lucky and the changes that fixed
> > royale-typedefs
> > > >> SWCs
> > > >> > >> will
> > > >> > >>     >> magically
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > get the royale-asjs SWCs to match.  Then we have
> > to
> > > >> make
> > > >> > >> the Ant
> > > >> > >>     >>     > artifacts
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > match.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >     There have been a lot of distractions in my
> > > >> non-work
> > > >> > >> life
> > > >> > >>     >> which has
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > also impeded progress.  I hope to make much
> > progress
> > > >> this
> > > >> > >> coming
> > > >> > >>     >> week and
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > if we're lucky, I will be asking for a volunteer
> > (or
> > > >> > >> volunteers)
> > > >> > >>     >> to test
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > drive all of this stuff and be the RM for 0.9.6.
> > I
> > > am
> > > >> > not
> > > >> > >> going
> > > >> > >>     >> to be
> > > >> > >>     >>     > the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > RM.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >     -Alex
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >     On 5/23/19, 9:39 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> > > >> > >>     >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         Hi Alex,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         It's been a while since you have started
> > > >> effort
> > > >> > >> with
> > > >> > >>     >> automating
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > build.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         Where are you with that ? Are we closer
> to
> > > >> > started
> > > >> > >> 0.9.6.
> > > >> > >>     >> Do you
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > need any
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         help with this ?
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         Piotr
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         wt., 2 kwi 2019 o 19:30 Alex Harui
> > > >> > >>     >> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > napisał(a):
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Update:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > In order to make verification of
> binary
> > > >> release
> > > >> > >> packages
> > > >> > >>     >>     > created
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > on the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > server easier, I have made changes to
> > our
> > > >> build
> > > >> > >> scripts
> > > >> > >>     >> and
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > tools to try to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > generate reproducible binaries.  I've
> > seen
> > > >> two
> > > >> > >>     >> different builds
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > compare on
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > my Mac.   The next challenge will be
> to
> > > see
> > > >> if
> > > >> > >> the
> > > >> > >>     >> server can
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > build a
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > package on Windows that will compare
> on
> > > Mac.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > One of the changes I needed to make is
> > to
> > > >> > >> JBurg.  The
> > > >> > >>     >> version
> > > >> > >>     >>     > of
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > JBurg we
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > use generates method names including a
> > > hash
> > > >> > that
> > > >> > >> doesn't
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > reproduce the same
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > name each time.  I have changes to
> JBurg
> > > >> ready,
> > > >> > >> however
> > > >> > >>     >> JBurg
> > > >> > >>     >>     > is
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > currently
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > under CPL which is category B.  We
> only
> > > need
> > > >> > one
> > > >> > >> file,
> > > >> > >>     >> we don't
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > need or
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > want all of JBurg at this time.  The
> one
> > > >> JBurg
> > > >> > >> file is
> > > >> > >>     >> jointly
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > owned by
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Adobe and Tom Harwood.  I've contact
> Tom
> > > >> and he
> > > >> > >> will be
> > > >> > >>     >> filing
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > an ICLA and
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > has given me permission to commit the
> > > lines
> > > >> he
> > > >> > >> owns in
> > > >> > >>     >> that one
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > file.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > This is the revision of the file that
> > will
> > > >> be
> > > >> > >> donated by
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Tom/Adobe.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     >
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Once this file goes in with the
> changes
> > to
> > > >> keep
> > > >> > >> the
> > > >> > >>     >> method
> > > >> > >>     >>     > names
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > the same,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > there will be more tweaks to the
> release
> > > >> tasks
> > > >> > >> and then
> > > >> > >>     >> we can
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > try cutting
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > a release.  I'm thinking we'll be at
> > that
> > > >> point
> > > >> > >> in
> > > >> > >>     >> early May,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > so
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > now is the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > time to get stuff in for the 0.9.6
> > > release.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > -Alex
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > On 3/8/19, 9:27 AM, "Alex Harui" <
> > > >> > >> aha...@adobe.com>
> > > >> > >>     >> wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >     I would much rather have others
> find
> > > and
> > > >> > fix
> > > >> > >> issues
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > themselves.  That
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > way, more people than just me will
> know
> > > how
> > > >> to
> > > >> > >> maintain
> > > >> > >>     >> the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > system.  It
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > actually turns out that, IMO, a group
> of
> > > >> people
> > > >> > >> can
> > > >> > >>     >> work on the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > release.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > There are 14 steps.  Literally, 14
> > > different
> > > >> > >> people
> > > >> > >>     >> could
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > execute one step
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > each.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >     My 2 cents,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >     -Alex
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >     On 3/8/19, 2:13 AM, "Carlos
> Rovira"
> > <
> > > >> > >>     >>     > carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         Hi Alex,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         amazing work! congrats to
> reach
> > to
> > > >> this
> > > >> > >> point!
> > > >> > >>     >> :)
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         I need to put my head on all
> of
> > > >> this,
> > > >> > >> but count
> > > >> > >>     >> on me
> > > >> > >>     >>     > to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > be a RM.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > I think
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         the best thing should be that
> > you
> > > be
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >> first
> > > >> > >>     >> RM to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > try
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > your own
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         development at least for the
> > first
> > > >> > time,
> > > >> > >> and
> > > >> > >>     >> then the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > rest of us
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > will
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         follow you on the next
> releases.
> > > >> With
> > > >> > >> all this
> > > >> > >>     >> on place
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > we maybe
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > could
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         release once a month or every
> > two
> > > >> > >> months...
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         Thanks for doing this :)
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         Carlos
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         El vie., 8 mar. 2019 a las
> 1:55,
> > > >> Alex
> > > >> > >> Harui
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         escribió:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > OK, I've now seen Jenkins
> > > perform
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> steps
> > > >> > >>     >> to build
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > the release
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > artifacts.  Folks interested
> > in
> > > >> > >> Docker-izing
> > > >> > >>     >> the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > steps
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > are
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > welcome to look
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > at the jobs on the "Royale
> > > >> Release"
> > > >> > >> tab on
> > > >> > >>     >> the CI
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > server.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     >
> > > >> > >>     >>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > These steps assume that the
> RM
> > > can
> > > >> > run
> > > >> > >> the
> > > >> > >>     >> basic
> > > >> > >>     >>     > Maven
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > and Ant
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > build on
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > the RM's computer. I think
> > > that's
> > > >> a
> > > >> > >> fair
> > > >> > >>     >> requirement
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > since all
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > of us on the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > PMC need to able to do that
> to
> > > >> build
> > > >> > >> the RC
> > > >> > >>     >> in order
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > to vote on
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > it.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >  Jenkins does other tasks
> like
> > > run
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >> Maven
> > > >> > >>     >> release
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > plugin
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > steps.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Currently that results in
> > > >> binaries on
> > > >> > >> Jenkins
> > > >> > >>     >> that
> > > >> > >>     >>     > are
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > downloaded to the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > RM's computer.  These
> binaries
> > > >> need
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > >> be
> > > >> > >>     >> verified by
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > the RM
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > which is the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > next phase I will be
> starting
> > on
> > > >> now.
> > > >> > >> The RM
> > > >> > >>     >>     > verifies
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > the bits
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > and then
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > PGP signs them.  And then
> the
> > > bits
> > > >> > are
> > > >> > >>     >> uploaded off
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > the RM's
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > computer to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Maven Staging or
> dist.a.o/dev.
> > > >>  If
> > > >> > >> that
> > > >> > >>     >> uploading
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > turns out to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > be a point
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > of failure, we have the
> option
> > > of
> > > >> > >> having
> > > >> > >>     >> Jenkins
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > upload the big
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > files and
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > have the RM only upload PGP
> > > >> signature
> > > >> > >> files.
> > > >> > >>     >> Or
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > finding a way
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > for Jenkins
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to get the signature files
> > from
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >> RM.  The
> > > >> > >>     >> uploads
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > worked fine
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > for me,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > but then again, so did the
> old
> > > >> > script's
> > > >> > >>     >> uploads.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Therefore, once I get the
> > binary
> > > >> > >> verification
> > > >> > >>     >> phase
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > completed, I
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > think
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > someone other than me should
> > be
> > > >> the
> > > >> > RM
> > > >> > >> and
> > > >> > >>     >> try to use
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > these
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > steps to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > generate the release and
> help
> > > >> debug
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>     >> process for
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > the next
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > RM.  So,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > please try to carve out some
> > > time
> > > >> to
> > > >> > >> be the
> > > >> > >>     >> RM.  One
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > advantage
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > of doing
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > most of the work on Jenkins
> is
> > > >> that
> > > >> > it
> > > >> > >> frees
> > > >> > >>     >> up my
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > computer to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > do other
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > things while Jenkins is
> > cranking
> > > >> > away.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > I think we're at least a
> week
> > > away
> > > >> > >> from binary
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > verification,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > maybe two, so
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > it is time to start thinking
> > > about
> > > >> > >> what is
> > > >> > >>     >> going in
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > this release.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > -Alex
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > On 3/7/19, 4:15 PM, "Alex
> > Harui"
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     In case you haven't
> > guessed,
> > > >> I'm
> > > >> > >> testing
> > > >> > >>     >> out
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Jenkins and its
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > ability
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to create the artifacts and
> > send
> > > >> > >> emails.
> > > >> > >>     >> Please
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > ignore any
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > email that
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > looks like a vote or discuss
> > > >> thread.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     -Alex
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     On 2/10/19, 8:44 PM,
> "Alex
> > > >> Harui"
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Om,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Well, that's what I
> > used
> > > >> for
> > > >> > >> the last
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > release.  I'm sure
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > there is
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > probably some inaccuracy in
> > it.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         That said, I'm
> > > abandoning
> > > >> > that
> > > >> > >>     >> document and
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > taking a new
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > angle
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > because that document
> presumed
> > > >> that
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>     >> release
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > manager was
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > trying to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > create a release on his/her
> > > >> computer.
> > > >> > >> I've
> > > >> > >>     >> given up
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > on that and
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > working on
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > making releases from a
> shared
> > > >> > computer
> > > >> > >> for the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > reasons
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > I've
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > stated
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > upthread.  I hope to make
> some
> > > >> > >> progress on
> > > >> > >>     >> that this
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > week.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         The key difference
> is
> > > that
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >> new
> > > >> > >>     >> angle does
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > not
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > presume that you
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > have Git SSH and PGP
> > signatures
> > > >> all
> > > >> > >> set up on
> > > >> > >>     >> some
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > computer.  I
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > have not
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > looked into how Docker would
> > > >> handle
> > > >> > >> that.  You
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > certainly
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > wouldn't want the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Docker image to contain your
> > SSH
> > > >> or
> > > >> > PGP
> > > >> > >>     >> keys/creds.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >  And if the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Docker
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > image doesn't, then that is
> > > >> another
> > > >> > >> stumbling
> > > >> > >>     >> block
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > for future
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > RMs.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         The other key
> > difference
> > > >> is
> > > >> > >> that the
> > > >> > >>     >> old
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > script presumed
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > you could
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > create the 3 release in 3
> huge
> > > >> "easy"
> > > >> > >> steps.
> > > >> > >>     >> We've
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > seen that is
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > only true
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > for me.  So the new angle
> > > creates
> > > >> > many
> > > >> > >>     >> discrete steps
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > managed by
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Jenkins.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         So, it is up to you
> to
> > > >> decide
> > > >> > >> what
> > > >> > >>     >> you want
> > > >> > >>     >>     > to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > "Docker-ize".  You
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > can try to Docker-ize the
> > > current
> > > >> 3
> > > >> > big
> > > >> > >>     >> steps, so RMs
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > can try to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > run it on
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > their systems, but I'd bet
> > they
> > > >> will
> > > >> > >> just
> > > >> > >>     >> faiI due to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > network
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > issues.  I
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > would be interested in using
> > > >> Docker
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > >> make
> > > >> > >>     >> each of
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > these many
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > discrete
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > steps portable to another
> > > server.
> > > >> > >>  I'm not
> > > >> > >>     >> going to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > involve
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Docker at this
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > point.  My main goal is just
> > to
> > > >> see
> > > >> > if
> > > >> > >> I can
> > > >> > >>     >> create a
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > workflow
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > of many
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > discrete steps that isn't
> > > horribly
> > > >> > >> painful.
> > > >> > >>     >> Once we
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > see what
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > these steps
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > turn out to be, then we can
> > > worry
> > > >> > >> about server
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > portability of
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > those steps.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Either way, we want
> to
> > > >> know
> > > >> > >> about
> > > >> > >>     >> running
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Browser+Selenium for
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > sure.  And maybe
> > > >> FlashPlayerDebugger
> > > >> > >> or AIR.
> > > >> > >>     >> I would
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > want to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > know, for
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > example, how you debug a
> > failing
> > > >> > >> checkintest
> > > >> > >>     >> in a
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Docker
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > container.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         -Alex
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         On 2/10/19, 5:18 PM,
> > > >> > "OmPrakash
> > > >> > >>     >> Muppirala" <
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > bigosma...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Alex,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Just to be
> clear,
> > I
> > > am
> > > >> > >> following
> > > >> > >>     >> the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > steps
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > from here
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > to try
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > and setup a
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             docker
> container.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > > >> > >>     >>     >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fwiki%2FRelease-Manager-Notes&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C5b308b70316a40dd04cd08d6ee19bec0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636958191704021103&amp;sdata=Lhm0hudN8Nbx%2F6Lnmz0Wlus3EpV1o1h8XWBzBUoEWOA%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Is this doc up
> to
> > > >> date?
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Om
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             On Wed, Feb 6,
> > 2019
> > > at
> > > >> > >> 12:02 PM
> > > >> > >>     >> OmPrakash
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Muppirala <
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > bigosma...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > One approach
> is
> > to
> > > >> have
> > > >> > >> each
> > > >> > >>     >> step in
> > > >> > >>     >>     > the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > process
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > spin up a
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > docker image.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > And use
> > > >> docker-compose
> > > >> > >> to run
> > > >> > >>     >> each
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > step.  All the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > images can
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > be made to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > share a common
> > > >> volume
> > > >> > >> where all
> > > >> > >>     >> the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > artifacts are
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > stored
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > across steps.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > You are right
> > > about
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >>     >> networking
> > > >> > >>     >>     > issue
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > though.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Any
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > network related
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > failure that
> > > occurs
> > > >> on
> > > >> > >> the host
> > > >> > >>     >> machine
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > will most
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > likely
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > occur in the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > docker
> > container.
> > > >> > >> Although, I
> > > >> > >>     >> am not
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > clear how we
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > can
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > guarantee that the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > same issues
> will
> > > not
> > > >> > >> occur on
> > > >> > >>     >> the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Jenkins server.
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > I mean,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > what is special
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > about the
> > Jenkins
> > > >> > server
> > > >> > >> that
> > > >> > >>     >> makes it
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > immune to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > these
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > networking issues?
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > Thanks,
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > Om
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > On Wed, Feb 6,
> > > 2019
> > > >> at
> > > >> > >> 11:48 AM
> > > >> > >>     >> Alex
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Harui
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > wrote:
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> Again, I
> don't
> > > know
> > > >> > >> anything
> > > >> > >>     >> about
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Docker, but
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > before we
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > spend a lot of
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> time on
> > Docker, I
> > > >> also
> > > >> > >> want to
> > > >> > >>     >> point
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > out that the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > process
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to create a
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> release
> cannot
> > > >> really
> > > >> > be
> > > >> > >>     >> thought of as
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > "one
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > application".
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > It will be a
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> series of
> > "steps"
> > > >> to
> > > >> > >> run.
> > > >> > >>     >> How many
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > steps
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > depends on
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > whether we think we
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> can isolate
> > > enough
> > > >> > >> stuff via
> > > >> > >>     >> Docker to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > be able to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > run
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Docker on the RM's
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> computer
> > instead
> > > of
> > > >> > >> some shared
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > computer.  On a
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > shared
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > computer there will
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> be dozens of
> > > steps
> > > >> > >> because the
> > > >> > >>     >> RM will
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > need to
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > enter
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > passwords to commit
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> stuff.  On a
> > > local
> > > >> > >> computer I
> > > >> > >>     >> guess
> > > >> > >>     >>     > the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > RM can
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > supply
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > passwords but I think
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> there will be
> > > >> stopping
> > > >> > >> points
> > > >> > >>     >> where
> > > >> > >>     >>     > the
> > > >> > >>     >>     > > Maven
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         > artifacts are
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > deployed and
> > > >> > >>     >>     > >

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