Alex, I believe this is your personal Azure subscription right? Any chance I can get access to it so I can try to copy the image out the machine and redeploy it somewhere else?
Thanks, Om On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:18 PM OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote: > I can help set this up on Azure. Give me some time to work out the > details? > > Thanks, > Om > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:49 AM Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> OK. Good to know. >> >> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 9:45 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> >> wrote: >> > >> > FWIW, I just looked and the longest job in the release steps so far is >> 8 minutes. Most are under 2 minutes. There might be jobs later that take >> longer that we haven't run yet. IMO, the issue isn't speed of the machine, >> it is just that we are sharing the machine with longer jobs (1 hour for >> TourDeFlexMigration). And again, the machine will be idle for stretches of >> time while the RM verifies artifacts after each step. >> > >> > -Alex >> > >> > On 4/12/20, 11:32 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com <mailto: >> harbs.li...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Fair enough. >> > >> > I expect builds to be somewhere between 10 and 20 times faster on a >> powerful machine. >> > >> > Yeah. It’s probably going to be a bit of work changing the server, >> but probably worth it in the long run. >> > >> > I think I’ll try this when I do the next release unless Yishay wants >> to work with me on this for this release — but I’m not going to be able to >> help until after Passover (i.e. next week). >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Harbs >> > >> >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 9:22 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> The Azure portal says: Standard F2s_v2 (2 vcpus, 4 GiB memory) >> >> >> >> I think I am reading changes to the build process in your >> suggestions. I do not really want to spend more of my time on this >> process. But if you want to do the work, that's fine with me. >> >> >> >> -Alex >> >> >> >> On 4/12/20, 10:57 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com <mailto: >> harbs.li...@gmail.com> <mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com <mailto: >> harbs.li...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> What kind of horsepower is included in the free Azure account? >> >> >> >> The server I mentioned builds (considerably) faster than my own >> local machine. The ci server seems to build many times slower. >> >> >> >> One thing we can do to minimize running server time would be to >> transfer the artifacts to storage instead of keeping them on the server. On >> AWS, I’d probably use S3. Not sure what the similar service on Azure is >> called. >> >> >> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID >> <mailto:aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> OK, that's pretty much how I understand Azure as well. The key thing >> is that "running" includes time where the CI server is not running any >> Jenkins jobs. The CI Server steps might take only a few hours of actual >> server time, but there is time where the RM is verifying artifacts locally >> so you'd be paying for that or the RM would have to keep shutting down and >> restarting. >> >>> >> >>> Seems like it would be cheaper/simpler to get the free MSDN account >> and leave it running. >> >>> >> >>> -Alex >> >>> >> >>> On 4/12/20, 10:15 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com <mailto: >> harbs.li...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> My experience is with AWS. >> >>> >> >>> I assume Microsoft has similar offerings, but I don’t have >> experience with Azure. >> >>> >> >>> AWS has on-demand EC2 instances which you pay for only the actual >> time that they are running.[1] >> >>> >> >>> Instances can be started and stopped via command line (or via the >> web interface) as long as you have valid credentials to do so. >> >>> >> >>> For example: an m5.4xlarge instance has 16 cores and costs about >> $1.5 per hour. On a machine like that, a full build would probably take >> less than 10 minutes. It’s probably possible to do a full release with only >> a few hours of server time. >> >>> >> >>> Leaving a server like that running all the time would get expensive, >> but if it’s just spun up for releases, you’d get very fast builds at a >> reasonable price. >> >>> >> >>> I’d be happy to pay $10-$50 (and possibly more) per release to make >> the release process painless for the RM. >> >>> >> >>> [1] >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd99d1960963240ce500c08d7df0fe417%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223131651425591&sdata=HPLHT0r9qTmJhR4f4j52wtslRJaCCnqf2lj8CM3x0LE%3D&reserved=0 >> < >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd99d1960963240ce500c08d7df0fe417%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223131651425591&sdata=HPLHT0r9qTmJhR4f4j52wtslRJaCCnqf2lj8CM3x0LE%3D&reserved=0 >> >< >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd99d1960963240ce500c08d7df0fe417%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223131651425591&sdata=HPLHT0r9qTmJhR4f4j52wtslRJaCCnqf2lj8CM3x0LE%3D&reserved=0 >> < >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd99d1960963240ce500c08d7df0fe417%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223131651425591&sdata=HPLHT0r9qTmJhR4f4j52wtslRJaCCnqf2lj8CM3x0LE%3D&reserved=0 >> >>< >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd99d1960963240ce500c08d7df0fe417%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223131651425591&sdata=HPLHT0r9qTmJhR4f4j52wtslRJaCCnqf2lj8CM3x0LE%3D&reserved=0 >> < >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd99d1960963240ce500c08d7df0fe417%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223131651425591&sdata=HPLHT0r9qTmJhR4f4j52wtslRJaCCnqf2lj8CM3x0LE%3D&reserved=0 >> >< >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd99d1960963240ce500c08d7df0fe417%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223131651425591&sdata=HPLHT0r9qTmJhR4f4j52wtslRJaCCnqf2lj8CM3x0LE%3D&reserved=0 >> < >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd99d1960963240ce500c08d7df0fe417%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223131651425591&sdata=HPLHT0r9qTmJhR4f4j52wtslRJaCCnqf2lj8CM3x0LE%3D&reserved=0 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm not very experienced with spinning up servers. The CI server we >> are using is effectively free, based on a generous donation from Microsoft >> of MSDN accounts to ASF committers. So I leave it up 24/7, and share the >> RDP access on private@. I think any other ASF committer could do the >> same. IIRC, if that server actually is stopped, I have to use my personal >> (unshared) MSDN credentials to start it again. AIUI, if I actually paid >> for the server, it would cost me to leave it running even if it didn't run >> jobs between releases. >> >>>> >> >>>> Is that what you are basically saying? I think it might be best if >> another committer got a CI server going via the MS donation and could leave >> it up 24/7. >> >>>> >> >>>> -Alex >> >>>> >> >>>> On 4/12/20, 9:28 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I’m willing to do this. >> >>>> >> >>>> Considering that the release will be run infrequently, it should be >> doable to have a relatively powerful server that could be spun up on >> demand. This is something I have setup for my own releases. >> >>>> >> >>>> The only complication would be that each RM would need valid >> credentials to spin up the server. >> >>>> >> >>>> Harbs >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:10 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A better solution, IMO, is for someone else to offer up a CI server >> only for release jobs. >> >>
