I haven't paid much attention.  Two builds ago was a successful build and the 
most recent failure didn't seem to involve the socket.

-Alex

On 4/20/20, 11:47 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I see.  I was waiting for the build to be fixed before moving it over.  Or
    have folks run into a dead-end trying to figure out what is wrong with
    royale-asjs ?
    
    On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:03 PM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    wrote:
    
    > Also, once royale-asjs completes, it is going to kick off lots of other
    > jobs on agent 1 that will compete with the release jobs.  Ideally, all
    > non-release jobs would be moved over to the new agent VM.
    >
    > -Alex
    >
    > On 4/20/20, 10:55 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
    >
    >     Yes, royale-asjs (which is currently building on agent1 and blocking
    > the release job).
    >
    >     -Alex
    >
    >     On 4/20/20, 10:53 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <bigosma...@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >         Update - royale-asjs_jsonly successfully build on my agent VM.
    >
    >         Right now, we have 3 jobs running on this VM:
    >         1. royale-asjs_jsonly
    >         2. royale-compiler
    >         3. royale-typedefs
    >
    >         Are there any other jobs we need to move to the new agent?
    >
    >         Yishay, can you please confirm that your release jobs are running
    > without
    >         being hindered by CI jobs?
    >
    >         Thanks,
    >         Om
    >
    >         On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:05 AM OmPrakash Muppirala <
    > bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         wrote:
    >
    >         >
    >         > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:01 AM Alex Harui
    > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    >         > wrote:
    >         >
    >         >> I see compiler-jx/lib in the Workspace for royale-compiler on
    > my VM.  If
    >         >> you are talking about your VM, you can compare console output
    > from recent
    >         >> successful builds on both VMs.
    >         >>
    >         >>
    >         > I was talking about my VM.
    >         > A rebuild of royale-compiler seems to have fixed that problem.
    > Now
    >         > royale-typedefs passes as well!
    >         >
    >         > Next up royale-asjs_jsonly...
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >> I'm done for tonight.  Good luck,
    >         >> -Alex
    >         >>
    >         >> On 4/19/20, 11:50 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <
    > bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         >> wrote:
    >         >>
    >         >>     On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:37 PM Alex Harui
    > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid
    >         >> >
    >         >>     wrote:
    >         >>
    >         >>     > Royale-compiler has to be built first.  This is an
    > example of shared
    >         >>     > resources that I mentioned upthread.  Royale-typedefs is
    > going to
    >         >> look for
    >         >>     > a sibling workspace folder called royale-compiler with a
    > built of
    >         >>     > royale-compiler in it.  If royale-compiler fails to
    > create all of
    >         >> its
    >         >>     > binaries or is in the process of building them,
    > royale-typedefs
    >         >> will report
    >         >>     > an error.
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    >         >>     Got it.  I was just looking at the logic here:
    >         >>
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>
    >         >>     Weird.  The royale-compiler build says it was successful,
    > but I cant
    >         >> find
    >         >>     the lib directory under
    >         >> C:\jenkins\workspace\royale-compiler\compiler-jx
    >         >>
    >         >>
    >         >>
    >         >>
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     > What should probably happen is that royale-typedefs pulls
    > down the
    >         >>     > lastsuccessfulartifacts from royale-compiler, but I've
    > never found
    >         >> enough
    >         >>     > time and energy to try to make changes like that since
    > most of us
    >         >> do have
    >         >>     > all of the folders as siblings.
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     > HTH,
    >         >>     > -Alex
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     > On 4/19/20, 11:31 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <
    > bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         >> wrote:
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     >     I am now getting this error on royale-typedefs build:
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     >     BUILD
    > FAILEDc:\jenkins\workspace\royale-typedefs\build.xml:58:
    >         >> The
    >         >>     >     following error occurred while executing this line:
    >         >>     >     c:\jenkins\workspace\royale-typedefs\js\build.xml:91:
    > src
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
'c:\jenkins\workspace\royale-typedefs\js\${ROYALE_TRANSPILER_HOME}\lib\google\closure-compiler\compiler.jar'
    >         >>     >     doesn't exist.
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     >     Where does the ROYALE_TRANSPILER_HOME var come from?
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     >     Here is the full console output:
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>     >
    >         >>     >     On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:24 PM OmPrakash Muppirala 
<
    >         >>     > bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         >>     >     wrote:
    >         >>     >
    >         >>     >     > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:08 PM Alex Harui
    >         >> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid
    >         >>     > >
    >         >>     >     > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >> Congratulations!  But does that mean that
    > JAVA_HOME is
    >         >> pointing at
    >         >>     > a JRE
    >         >>     >     >> instead of a JDK?  If you have other issues that
    > might be a
    >         >> factor.
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >
    >         >>     >     > Yeah, I messed up initially by getting the JRE
    > instead of
    >         >> JDK.  I
    >         >>     > have
    >         >>     >     > since corrected it.  But for some reason Ant still
    > thinks that
    >         >>     > JAVA_HOME is
    >         >>     >     > the jre directory.
    >         >>     >     > I don't know how to fix this, hence the hack :-|
    >         >>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >> HTH,
    >         >>     >     >> -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >> On 4/19/20, 10:50 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <
    >         >> bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         >>     >     >> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     I copied tools.jar from  jdk/lib to the
    > jre/lib.  That
    >         >> seems to
    >         >>     > have
    >         >>     >     >> fixed
    >         >>     >     >>     the issue.
    >         >>     >     >>     We now have a successful build of the
    > royale-compiler on
    >         >> the
    >         >>     > new Agent
    >         >>     >     >>     machine!!
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:44 PM OmPrakash
    > Muppirala <
    >         >>     >     >> bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         >>     >     >>     wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     > Restart dint help.  Although Serkan's reply
    > made me
    >         >> look at
    >         >>     > how Ant
    >         >>     >     >> was
    >         >>     >     >>     > getting invoked.
    >         >>     >     >>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     > I see this warning that tools.jar is 
missing:
    >         >>     >     >>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     > [royale-compiler] $ cmd.exe /C
    >         >>     >     >> "C:\apache\apache-ant-1.9.9\bin\ant.bat -file
    > jenkins.xml
    >         >>     >     >> -Denv.ASJS_HOME=C:\jenkins\workspace\royale-asjs
    > main && exit
    >         >>     >     >> %%ERRORLEVEL%%"
    >         >>     >     >>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     > Unable to locate tools.jar. Expected to find
    > it in
    >         >> C:\Program
    >         >>     >     >> Files\Java\jre1.8.0_251\lib\tools.jar
    >         >>     >     >>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     > I am pretty sure this is related to this
    > issue.
    >         >>     >     >>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:29 PM OmPrakash
    > Muppirala <
    >         >>     >     >> bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         >>     >     >>     > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:15 PM Alex Harui
    >         >>     >     >> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    >         >>     >     >>     >> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> Did you reboot your VM?  Also, have you
    > checked what
    >         >> user is
    >         >>     >     >> running
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> Jenkins on your VM?  I think that can
    > sometimes be a
    >         >>     > problem.  I
    >         >>     >     >> might be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> running Jenkins as the user.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >> Agents don't require Jenkins to be
    > running.  I will
    >         >> give the
    >         >>     >     >> rebooting of
    >         >>     >     >>     >> the VM a shot .
    >         >>     >     >>     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >> Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >> Om
    >         >>     >     >>     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> On 4/19/20, 10:01 PM, "OmPrakash
    > Muppirala" <
    >         >>     > bigosma...@gmail.com
    >         >>     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 9:55 PM Alex
    > Harui
    >         >>     >     >> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Should be here:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     My git is located in the same exact
    > location as
    >         >> master.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     Moreover, the git call from the
    > commandline
    >         >> executes
    >         >>     > fine.
    >         >>     >     >> The git
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> call
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     from ant exec is what is failing.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > HTH,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > From: OmPrakash Muppirala <
    >         >> bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Reply-To: "dev@royale.apache.org" <
    >         >>     > dev@royale.apache.org>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Date: Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:37
    > PM
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > To: Apache Royale Development <
    >         >> dev@royale.apache.org>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Subject: Re: Prioritize Release Jobs
    > on CI
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > I'm a bit stumped here.  The
    > royale-compiler is
    >         >>     > failing
    >         >>     >     >> with this
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> error:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > BUILD FAILED
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >> c:\jenkins\workspace\royale-compiler\jenkins.xml:55:
    >         >>     > Execute
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> failed:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > java.io.IOException: Cannot run
    > program "git"
    >         >> (in
    >         >>     > directory
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    > "c:\jenkins\workspace\royale-compiler"):
    >         >> CreateProcess
    >         >>     >     >> error=2,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> The system
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > cannot find the file specified
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >   at
    > java.lang.ProcessBuilder.start(Unknown
    >         >> Source)
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > It is from this part of the
    > jenkins.xml:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     <target
    > name="closure-lib-download"
    >         >>     > description="Copies
    >         >>     >     >> Closure
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Library from GitHub">
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >         <echo message="Be patient.
    > This takes
    >         >> a few
    >         >>     >     >> minutes..." />
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >         <exec executable="git"
    >         >>     > failifexecutionfails="true">
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >             <arg value="clone" />
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >             <arg value="
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>     >     >>     >>> <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>     >     >>     >>> >"
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > />
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >             <arg
    > value="${closure.root}" />
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >         </exec>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >         <echo>Cloned fresh copy of
    > Google
    >         >> Closure
    >         >>     >     >> Library</echo>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     </target>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > I am not sure how this executable
    > call works
    >         >> without
    >         >>     > the
    >         >>     >     >> full path.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > I checked the env variables, I do
    > have both the
    >         >>     > git/bin and
    >         >>     >     >> git/cmd
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > directory in the PATH:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > [cid:ii_k97zkk9o0]
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > What am I missing?
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Om
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:54 PM
    > OmPrakash
    >         >> Muppirala <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> bigosma...@gmail.com
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <mailto:bigosma...@gmail.com>>
    > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Update - I have successfully
    > attached my VM as
    >         >> a slave
    >         >>     >     >> agent of our
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Jenkins instance.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > I am going to pull the job -
    >         >> /royale-asjs_jsonly and
    >         >>     > tie it
    >         >>     >     >> to my
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> agent so
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > I can test it.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > It will fail for a sometime while I
    > go set up
    >         >> my VM
    >         >>     > with
    >         >>     >     >> all the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > dependencies.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Once we have the job successfully
    > building on
    >         >> my VM,
    >         >>     > we can
    >         >>     >     >> figure
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> out how
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > to divide the load between the
    > master and
    >         >> agent.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Om
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:59 AM
    > OmPrakash
    >         >> Muppirala <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> bigosma...@gmail.com
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <mailto:bigosma...@gmail.com>>
    > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > We could achieve the same by
    > creating a new
    >         >> agent
    >         >>     > (separate
    >         >>     >     >> vm) and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > attaching it as a slave to the
    > current Jenkins
    >         >> server.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Then we can use labels/tags to tie
    > release
    >         >> jobs to one
    >         >>     >     >> agent and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> non
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > release jobs to another agent.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > That way we can maintain everything
    > in one UI,
    >         >> one
    >         >>     > login
    >         >>     >     >> while
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> achieving
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > the concurrent building capabilities
    > we want.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Jenkins is built for this kind of
    > stuff and I
    >         >> think it
    >         >>     >     >> would be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> best we
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > followed this practice.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Om
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 8:18 AM Alex
    > Harui
    >         >>     >     >> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Om, I thought you were going to get
    > the image
    >         >> from my
    >         >>     > VM
    >         >>     >     >> and run
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> it on
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > another VM.  Then we'd remove all
    > non-release
    >         >> jobs
    >         >>     > from
    >         >>     >     >> your VM
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> and all of
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > the release jobs from my VM.  That
    > won't solve
    >         >> the
    >         >>     > problem
    >         >>     >     >> of how
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> long it
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > takes for a commit to be built and
    > tested, but
    >         >> will
    >         >>     > allow
    >         >>     >     >> the RM
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> to get a
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > release out without getting stuck
    > behind the
    >         >> commit
    >         >>     > jobs.
    >         >>     >     >> Is that
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > currently the plan?
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > On 4/18/20, 12:43 AM, "OmPrakash
    > Muppirala" <
    >         >>     >     >> bigosma...@gmail.com
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > bigosma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     Makes sense to me.  I will set
    > parallel
    >         >> executors
    >         >>     > back
    >         >>     >     >> to 1.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     And start working on a new
    > Jenkins
    >         >> instance.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     Om
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 12:28 AM
    > Alex Harui
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > Are you saying that Java, Ant
    > and Maven
    >         >> do not
    >         >>     > know
    >         >>     >     >> how to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > distribute work
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > to different cores?
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > To repeat my main concern:
    > our Jenkins
    >         >> jobs
    >         >>     > often
    >         >>     >     >> use shared
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > resources.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > If you want to take the time
    > to fix
    >         >> that, feel
    >         >>     > free,
    >         >>     >     >> but I
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> do not
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > know how
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > you are going to keep two jobs
    > from both
    >         >> trying
    >         >>     > to
    >         >>     >     >> launch
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> Flash
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Player
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > Debugger at the same time and
    > open the
    >         >> same
    >         >>     > socket to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> communicate
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > with it,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > or try to parse the
    > flashlog.txt that
    >         >> they have
    >         >>     > both
    >         >>     >     >> written
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> to.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > The royale-asjs job will use
    > the
    >         >> royale-compiler
    >         >>     >     >> workspace
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> to get the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > compiler.  If the compiler is
    > building,
    >         >> the
    >         >>     > jars are
    >         >>     >     >> not
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> there and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > royale-asjs build fails.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > There is also only so much
    > memory and
    >         >> some of
    >         >>     > our
    >         >>     >     >> jobs use
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> all of it
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > I'm not sure if jobs slowed
    > down due to
    >         >> paging
    >         >>     > memory
    >         >>     >     >> and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > writing/reading
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > from disk, even if it is an
    > SSD.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > I'm done for tonight, but
    > that's what I
    >         >> was
    >         >>     > seeing
    >         >>     >     >> last time
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> I tried
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > have both master and an agent
    > running
    >         >> jobs in
    >         >>     >     >> parallel.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > On 4/17/20, 11:52 PM,
    > "OmPrakash
    >         >> Muppirala" <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> bigosma...@gmail.com
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <mailto:bigosma...@gmail.com>>
    > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     A typical setup would be
    > to have 0
    >         >>     > executors on
    >         >>     >     >> master
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> and at
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > least n
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     number of executors on
    > each agent,
    >         >> where n =
    >         >>     >     >> number of
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> cpu cores.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     I see that the current VM
    > has 2
    >         >> cores.  So,
    >         >>     > I
    >         >>     >     >> started
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> with
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > setting the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > num
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     executors on the current
    > agent to 2.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     This should improve things
    > quite a
    >         >> bit.  If
    >         >>     > this
    >         >>     >     >> doesn't
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> work, I
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > will
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     create a new VM and make
    > it the
    >         >> slave agent
    >         >>     > of the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> current
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > Jenkins
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > master.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     Om
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at
    > 11:31 PM
    >         >> Alex Harui
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > On your VM or mine?  I
    > don't think
    >         >> mine
    >         >>     > can
    >         >>     >     >> handle
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> it.  I used
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > run jobs
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > of master and agent and
    > we got
    >         >> lots of
    >         >>     > failures
    >         >>     >     >> and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> jobs took
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > forever.  If
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > two jobs are trying to
    > run tests
    >         >> with the
    >         >>     >     >> shared Flash
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> Player
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > Debugger, for
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > example, you won't get
    > consistent
    >         >> results.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > On 4/17/20, 11:23 PM,
    > "OmPrakash
    >         >>     > Muppirala" <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > bigosma...@gmail.com<mailto:
    >         >> bigosma...@gmail.com>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     I just realized that
    > we have
    >         >> only one
    >         >>     > Agent
    >         >>     >     >> (node)
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> listed
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > under
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > Jenkins.  I
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     am going to add at
    > least one
    >         >> more
    >         >>     > node to
    >         >>     >     >> start
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> with.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     Om
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     On Thu, Apr 16, 2020
    > at 9:58
    >         >> AM Alex
    >         >>     > Harui
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > I think I followed
    > the
    >         >> instructions
    >         >>     > and
    >         >>     >     >> enabled
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> SSH.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > On 4/16/20, 9:37
    > AM, "Yishay
    >         >> Weiss"
    >         >>     > <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > yishayj...@hotmail.com<mailto:
    >         >> yishayj...@hotmail.com
    >         >>     > >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     I haven’t
    > gotten it to
    >         >> work.
    >         >>     > Could be
    >         >>     >     >> ssh
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> needs to be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > enabled on
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > VM [1]. This is
    > nice to have
    >         >> but not
    >         >>     >     >> essential.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> So Alex,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > let
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > me know
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > if you
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > want to try that,
    > otherwise
    >         >> I’ll
    >         >>     > suspend
    >         >>     >     >> my
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> efforts on
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > this.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     [1]
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     From: Yishay
    >         >> Weiss<mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> yishayj...@hotmail.com
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <mailto:yishayj...@hotmail.com>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Sent:
    > Wednesday, April
    >         >> 15, 2020
    >         >>     > 5:09
    >         >>     >     >> PM
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     To:
    >         >> dev@royale.apache.org
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > dev@royale.apache.org><mailto:
    >         >> dev@royale.apache.org
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > dev@royale.apache.org>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Subject: RE:
    > Prioritize
    >         >> Release
    >         >>     > Jobs
    >         >>     >     >> on CI
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     I’d like to
    > try and
    >         >> install an
    >         >>     > ssh
    >         >>     >     >> server.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> Can anyone
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > think of a
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > reason not to do
    > that? I’m
    >         >> asking in
    >         >>     >     >> terms of
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> security,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > and if
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > there
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > might
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > be a problem
    > because it’s a
    >         >> VM.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Thanks.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     From: Yishay
    >         >> Weiss<mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> yishayj...@hotmail.com
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <mailto:yishayj...@hotmail.com>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Sent: Monday,
    > April 13,
    >         >> 2020
    >         >>     > 10:02 AM
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     To:
    >         >> dev@royale.apache.org
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > dev@royale.apache.org><mailto:
    >         >> dev@royale.apache.org
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > dev@royale.apache.org>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Subject: RE:
    > Prioritize
    >         >> Release
    >         >>     > Jobs
    >         >>     >     >> on CI
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Related, as
    > most (all?)
    >         >> of the
    >         >>     >     >> instructions
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> don’t
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > require
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > anything but
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > a shell wouldn’t
    > it be
    >         >> easier and
    >         >>     > faster
    >         >>     >     >> to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> access the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > machine
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > with
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > ssh
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > [1], rather than
    > using remote
    >         >>     > desktop?
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     [1]
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     From: Yishay
    >         >> Weiss<mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> yishayj...@hotmail.com
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <mailto:yishayj...@hotmail.com>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Sent: Monday,
    > April 13,
    >         >> 2020
    >         >>     > 9:55 AM
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     To:
    >         >> dev@royale.apache.org
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > dev@royale.apache.org><mailto:
    >         >> dev@royale.apache.org
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > dev@royale.apache.org>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Subject: RE:
    > Prioritize
    >         >> Release
    >         >>     > Jobs
    >         >>     >     >> on CI
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Can’t you do
    > that with
    >         >> remote
    >         >>     > desktop?
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>  ________________________________
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     From: 
OmPrakash
    >         >> Muppirala <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> bigosma...@gmail.com
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <mailto:bigosma...@gmail.com>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Sent: Monday,
    > April 13,
    >         >> 2020
    >         >>     > 9:51:25
    >         >>     >     >> AM
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     To: Apache
    > Royale
    >         >> Development <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> dev@royale.apache.org
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > <mailto:dev@royale.apache.org>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Subject: Re:
    > Prioritize
    >         >> Release
    >         >>     > Jobs
    >         >>     >     >> on CI
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Alex,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     I believe this
    > is your
    >         >> personal
    >         >>     > Azure
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> subscription
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > right?
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > Any
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > chance
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > I can
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     get access to
    > it so I
    >         >> can try
    >         >>     > to copy
    >         >>     >     >> the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> image out
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > machine
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     redeploy it
    > somewhere
    >         >> else?
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     Om
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     On Sun, Apr
    > 12, 2020 at
    >         >> 6:18 PM
    >         >>     >     >> OmPrakash
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> Muppirala <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    > bigosma...@gmail.com<mailto:
    >         >>     >     >> bigosma...@gmail.com
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     > I can help
    > set this up
    >         >> on
    >         >>     > Azure.
    >         >>     >     >> Give me
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> some
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > time to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > work
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > out the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     > details?
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     > Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     > Om
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     > On Sun, Apr
    > 12, 2020,
    >         >> 11:49 AM
    >         >>     >     >> Harbs <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto:
    >         >>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> OK. Good to
    > know.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> > On Apr
    > 12, 2020, at
    >         >> 9:45
    >         >>     > PM,
    >         >>     >     >> Alex Harui
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > 
<aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> > FWIW, I
    > just looked
    >         >> and the
    >         >>     >     >> longest job
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> in the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > release
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > steps so
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > far is
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> 8 minutes.
    > Most are
    >         >> under 2
    >         >>     >     >> minutes.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> There
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > might be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > jobs
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > later
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > that take
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> longer that
    > we
    >         >> haven't run
    >         >>     > yet.
    >         >>     >     >> IMO, the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> issue
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > isn't
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > speed
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > of the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > machine,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> it is just
    > that we are
    >         >>     > sharing the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> machine with
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > longer
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > jobs
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > (1 hour
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > for
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    >         >> TourDeFlexMigration).  And
    >         >>     > again,
    >         >>     >     >> the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> machine
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > will be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > idle for
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > stretches of
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> time while
    > the RM
    >         >> verifies
    >         >>     >     >> artifacts
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> after each
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > step.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> > -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> > On
    > 4/12/20, 11:32
    >         >> AM,
    >         >>     > "Harbs" <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto:
    >         >> harbs.li...@gmail.com>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    > harbs.li...@gmail.com
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >    Fair
    > enough.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >    I
    > expect builds
    >         >> to be
    >         >>     >     >> somewhere
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> between 10
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > and 20
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > times
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > faster
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > on a
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> powerful
    > machine.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >    Yeah.
    > It’s
    >         >> probably
    >         >>     > going to
    >         >>     >     >> be a
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> bit of work
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > changing
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > server,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> but
    > probably worth it
    >         >> in the
    >         >>     > long
    >         >>     >     >> run.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >    I
    > think I’ll try
    >         >> this
    >         >>     > when I
    >         >>     >     >> do the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> next
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > release
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > unless
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > Yishay
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > wants
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> to work
    > with me on
    >         >> this for
    >         >>     > this
    >         >>     >     >> release
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> — but
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > I’m not
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > going
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > to be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > able to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> help until
    > after
    >         >> Passover
    >         >>     > (i.e.
    >         >>     >     >> next
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> week).
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >    
Thanks,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >    Harbs
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >> On Apr
    > 12, 2020,
    >         >> at 9:22
    >         >>     > PM,
    >         >>     >     >> Alex Harui
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > 
<aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >> The
    > Azure portal
    >         >> says:
    >         >>     > Standard
    >         >>     >     >> F2s_v2
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> (2
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > vcpus, 4
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > GiB
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > memory)
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >> I think
    > I am
    >         >> reading
    >         >>     > changes to
    >         >>     >     >> the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> build
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > process in
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > your
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    > suggestions.  I do not
    >         >>     > really want
    >         >>     >     >> to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> spend more
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > of my
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > time
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > on this
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> process.
    > But if you
    >         >> want to
    >         >>     > do
    >         >>     >     >> the work,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> that's
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > fine
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > with me.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >> -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >> On
    > 4/12/20, 10:57
    >         >> AM,
    >         >>     > "Harbs" <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto:
    >         >> harbs.li...@gmail.com>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    > harbs.li...@gmail.com
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com>> <mailto:
    >         >> harbs.li...@gmail.com
    >         >>     >     >> <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    > harbs.li...@gmail.com
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>   What
    > kind of
    >         >> horsepower
    >         >>     > is
    >         >>     >     >> included
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> in the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > free
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > Azure
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > account?
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>   The
    > server I
    >         >> mentioned
    >         >>     > builds
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> (considerably)
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > faster than
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > my own
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> local
    > machine. The ci
    >         >> server
    >         >>     > seems
    >         >>     >     >> to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> build many
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > times
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > slower.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>   One
    > thing we can
    >         >> do to
    >         >>     >     >> minimize
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> running
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > server time
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > would be to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> transfer 
the
    >         >> artifacts to
    >         >>     > storage
    >         >>     >     >> instead
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> of
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > keeping
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > them on
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > server. On
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> AWS, I’d
    > probably use
    >         >> S3.
    >         >>     > Not sure
    >         >>     >     >> what
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > similar
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > service on
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > Azure is
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> called.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>> On Apr
    > 12, 2020,
    >         >> at 8:26
    >         >>     > PM,
    >         >>     >     >> Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> Harui
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> <mailto:
    >         >>     > aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
    >         >>     >     >> <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>>> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>> OK,
    > that's pretty
    >         >> much
    >         >>     > how I
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> understand Azure
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > as
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > well.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > The key
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > thing
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> is that
    > "running"
    >         >> includes
    >         >>     > time
    >         >>     >     >> where the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> CI
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > server is
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > not
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > running
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > any
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> Jenkins
    > jobs.  The CI
    >         >> Server
    >         >>     > steps
    >         >>     >     >> might
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> take
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > only a few
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > hours of
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > actual
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> server
    > time, but
    >         >> there is
    >         >>     > time
    >         >>     >     >> where the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> RM is
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > verifying
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > artifacts
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > locally
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> so you'd be
    > paying
    >         >> for that
    >         >>     > or the
    >         >>     >     >> RM
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> would have
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > to keep
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > shutting
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > down and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> restarting.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>> Seems
    > like it
    >         >> would be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> cheaper/simpler to get
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > free
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > MSDN
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > account
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> and leave
    > it running.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>> -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>> On
    > 4/12/20, 10:15
    >         >> AM,
    >         >>     > "Harbs" <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto:
    >         >>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    > harbs.li...@gmail.com
    >         >>     > <mailto:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>  My
    > experience is
    >         >> with
    >         >>     > AWS.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>  I
    > assume
    >         >> Microsoft has
    >         >>     > similar
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> offerings,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > but I
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > don’t
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > have
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> experience
    > with Azure.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>  AWS 
has
    >         >> on-demand EC2
    >         >>     >     >> instances
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> which you
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > pay for
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > only
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > actual
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> time that
    > they are
    >         >>     > running.[1]
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    > Instances can be
    >         >>     > started and
    >         >>     >     >> stopped
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> via
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > command
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > line
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > (or via
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> web
    > interface) as
    >         >> long as
    >         >>     > you have
    >         >>     >     >> valid
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > credentials to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > do so.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>  For
    > example: an
    >         >>     > m5.4xlarge
    >         >>     >     >> instance
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> has 16
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > cores
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > costs
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > about
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> $1.5 per
    > hour. On a
    >         >> machine
    >         >>     > like
    >         >>     >     >> that, a
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> full
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > build
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > would
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > probably
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > take
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> less than
    > 10 minutes.
    >         >> It’s
    >         >>     > probably
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> possible to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > do a
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > full
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > release
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > with only
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> a few hours
    > of server
    >         >> time.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    > Leaving a server
    >         >> like
    >         >>     > that
    >         >>     >     >> running
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> all the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > time
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > would get
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > expensive,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> but if it’s
    > just spun
    >         >> up for
    >         >>     >     >> releases,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> you’d get
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > very
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > fast
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > builds
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > at a
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> reasonable
    > price.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>  I’d be
    > happy to
    >         >> pay
    >         >>     > $10-$50
    >         >>     >     >> (and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> possibly
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > more) per
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > release to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > make
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> the release
    > process
    >         >> painless
    >         >>     > for
    >         >>     >     >> the RM.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>  [1]
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>
    >         >>     >     >>
    >         >>     >
    >         >>
    > 
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    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>> On Apr
    > 12, 2020,
    >         >> at
    >         >>     > 7:45 PM,
    >         >>     >     >> Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> Harui
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>> I'm
    > not very
    >         >>     > experienced with
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> spinning up
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > servers.  The
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > CI
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > server we
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> are using 
is
    >         >> effectively
    >         >>     > free,
    >         >>     >     >> based on a
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> generous
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > donation
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > from
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > Microsoft
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> of MSDN
    > accounts to
    >         >> ASF
    >         >>     >     >> committers.  So I
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> leave
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > it up
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > 24/7,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > share the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> RDP access
    > on private@.
    >         >> I
    >         >>     > think
    >         >>     >     >> any
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> other ASF
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > committer
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > could do
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > the
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> same.
    > IIRC, if that
    >         >> server
    >         >>     >     >> actually is
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> stopped,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > I have
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > use my
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > personal
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> (unshared)
    > MSDN
    >         >> credentials
    >         >>     > to
    >         >>     >     >> start it
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> again.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >  AIUI,
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > if I
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > actually paid
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> for the
    > server, it
    >         >> would
    >         >>     > cost me
    >         >>     >     >> to leave
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> it
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > running
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > even if
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > it
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > didn't run
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> jobs
    > between releases.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>> Is
    > that what you
    >         >> are
    >         >>     > basically
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> saying?  I
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > think it
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > might
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > best if
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> another
    > committer got
    >         >> a CI
    >         >>     > server
    >         >>     >     >> going
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> via the MS
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > donation
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > and
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > could leave
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> it up 24/7.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>> -Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>> On
    > 4/12/20, 9:28
    >         >> AM,
    >         >>     > "Harbs" <
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto:
    >         >>     > harbs.li...@gmail.com>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>> I’m
    > willing to
    >         >> do this.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    > Considering that
    >         >> the
    >         >>     > release
    >         >>     >     >> will be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> run
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > infrequently, it
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > should be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> doable to
    > have a
    >         >> relatively
    >         >>     >     >> powerful
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> server that
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > could
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > be
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > spun up on
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> demand.
    > This is
    >         >> something I
    >         >>     > have
    >         >>     >     >> setup
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> for my own
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > releases.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>> The
    > only
    >         >> complication
    >         >>     > would
    >         >>     >     >> be that
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> each RM
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > would
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > need
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > valid
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> credentials
    > to spin
    >         >> up the
    >         >>     > server.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>> Harbs
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>> On
    > Apr 12,
    >         >> 2020, at
    >         >>     > 7:10 PM,
    >         >>     >     >> Alex
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> Harui
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> wrote:
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> >>>>> A
    > better
    >         >> solution,
    >         >>     > IMO, is
    >         >>     >     >> for
    >         >>     >     >>     >>> someone else
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     > to
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     > offer up
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     > a CI
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     > server
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >> only for
    > release jobs.
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >     >>
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
    >         >>     >     >>     >>>     >     >     >     >
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