On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:01 AM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> I see compiler-jx/lib in the Workspace for royale-compiler on my VM. If > you are talking about your VM, you can compare console output from recent > successful builds on both VMs. > > I was talking about my VM. A rebuild of royale-compiler seems to have fixed that problem. Now royale-typedefs passes as well! Next up royale-asjs_jsonly... > I'm done for tonight. Good luck, > -Alex > > On 4/19/20, 11:50 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:37 PM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> > wrote: > > > Royale-compiler has to be built first. This is an example of shared > > resources that I mentioned upthread. Royale-typedefs is going to > look for > > a sibling workspace folder called royale-compiler with a built of > > royale-compiler in it. If royale-compiler fails to create all of its > > binaries or is in the process of building them, royale-typedefs will > report > > an error. > > > > Got it. I was just looking at the logic here: > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-typedefs%2Fblob%2F85c74dde104294a0127ce46a8795d7534216e7eb%2Fjs%2Fbuild.xml%23L53&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C10c9e091b8054ef206df08d7e4f70e1a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637229622064138237&sdata=WjJhmdD0PeHDCYfqg%2Bf4mofhnQHdEPnwwj2ti%2FqlmII%3D&reserved=0 > > Weird. The royale-compiler build says it was successful, but I cant > find > the lib directory under > C:\jenkins\workspace\royale-compiler\compiler-jx > > > > > > > > What should probably happen is that royale-typedefs pulls down the > > lastsuccessfulartifacts from royale-compiler, but I've never found > enough > > time and energy to try to make changes like that since most of us do > have > > all of the folders as siblings. > > > > HTH, > > -Alex > > > > On 4/19/20, 11:31 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <bigosma...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I am now getting this error on royale-typedefs build: > > > > BUILD FAILEDc:\jenkins\workspace\royale-typedefs\build.xml:58: > The > > following error occurred while executing this line: > > c:\jenkins\workspace\royale-typedefs\js\build.xml:91: src > > > > > 'c:\jenkins\workspace\royale-typedefs\js\${ROYALE_TRANSPILER_HOME}\lib\google\closure-compiler\compiler.jar' > > doesn't exist. > > > > > > Where does the ROYALE_TRANSPILER_HOME var come from? > > > > Here is the full console output: > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapacheroyaleci2.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com%3A8080%2Fview%2FAgent%25202%2520&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C10c9e091b8054ef206df08d7e4f70e1a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637229622064148235&sdata=Rl%2F6kGkOf3Z2pauOtISD6aoqJ23M05iKMMxUV0eweuc%3D&reserved=0(Om's%20VM)/job/royale-typedefs/552/console > > > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:24 PM OmPrakash Muppirala < > > bigosma...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:08 PM Alex Harui > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Congratulations! But does that mean that JAVA_HOME is > pointing at > > a JRE > > >> instead of a JDK? If you have other issues that might be a > factor. > > >> > > > > > > Yeah, I messed up initially by getting the JRE instead of > JDK. I > > have > > > since corrected it. But for some reason Ant still thinks that > > JAVA_HOME is > > > the jre directory. > > > I don't know how to fix this, hence the hack :-| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> HTH, > > >> -Alex > > >> > > >> On 4/19/20, 10:50 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" < > bigosma...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> I copied tools.jar from jdk/lib to the jre/lib. That > seems to > > have > > >> fixed > > >> the issue. > > >> We now have a successful build of the royale-compiler on > the > > new Agent > > >> machine!! > > >> > > >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:44 PM OmPrakash Muppirala < > > >> bigosma...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Restart dint help. Although Serkan's reply made me > look at > > how Ant > > >> was > > >> > getting invoked. > > >> > > > >> > I see this warning that tools.jar is missing: > > >> > > > >> > [royale-compiler] $ cmd.exe /C > > >> "C:\apache\apache-ant-1.9.9\bin\ant.bat -file jenkins.xml > > >> -Denv.ASJS_HOME=C:\jenkins\workspace\royale-asjs main && exit > > >> %%ERRORLEVEL%%" > > >> > > > >> > Unable to locate tools.jar. Expected to find it in > C:\Program > > >> Files\Java\jre1.8.0_251\lib\tools.jar > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I am pretty sure this is related to this issue. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:29 PM OmPrakash Muppirala < > > >> bigosma...@gmail.com> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:15 PM Alex Harui > > >> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >>> Did you reboot your VM? Also, have you checked what > user is > > >> running > > >> >>> Jenkins on your VM? I think that can sometimes be a > > problem. I > > >> might be > > >> >>> running Jenkins as the user. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >> Agents don't require Jenkins to be running. I will > give the > > >> rebooting of > > >> >> the VM a shot . > > >> >> > > >> >> Thanks, > > >> >> Om > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>> -Alex > > >> >>> > > >> >>> On 4/19/20, 10:01 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" < > > bigosma...@gmail.com > > >> > > > >> >>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > >> >>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 9:55 PM Alex Harui > > >> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> > > >> >>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Should be here: > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapacheroyaleci2.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com%3A8080%2FconfigureTools%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C10c9e091b8054ef206df08d7e4f70e1a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637229622064148235&sdata=KIX2arrk2%2BYbozSCKqTJ3sbG3E9IuYjTvFxhc4hbW6U%3D&reserved=0 > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> My git is located in the same exact location as > master. > > >> >>> Moreover, the git call from the commandline > executes > > fine. > > >> The git > > >> >>> call > > >> >>> from ant exec is what is failing. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > HTH, > > >> >>> > -Alex > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > From: OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com > > > > >> >>> > Reply-To: "dev@royale.apache.org" < > > dev@royale.apache.org> > > >> >>> > Date: Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:37 PM > > >> >>> > To: Apache Royale Development < > dev@royale.apache.org> > > >> >>> > Subject: Re: Prioritize Release Jobs on CI > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > I'm a bit stumped here. The royale-compiler is > > failing > > >> with this > > >> >>> error: > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > BUILD FAILED > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > c:\jenkins\workspace\royale-compiler\jenkins.xml:55: > > Execute > > >> >>> failed: > > >> >>> > java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "git" > (in > > directory > > >> >>> > "c:\jenkins\workspace\royale-compiler"): > CreateProcess > > >> error=2, > > >> >>> The system > > >> >>> > cannot find the file specified > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > at java.lang.ProcessBuilder.start(Unknown > Source) > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > It is from this part of the jenkins.xml: > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > <target name="closure-lib-download" > > description="Copies > > >> Closure > > >> >>> > Library from GitHub"> > > >> >>> > <echo message="Be patient. This takes a > few > > >> minutes..." /> > > >> >>> > <exec executable="git" > > failifexecutionfails="true"> > > >> >>> > <arg value="clone" /> > > >> >>> > <arg value=" > > >> >>> > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fgoogle%2Fclosure-library&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C10c9e091b8054ef206df08d7e4f70e1a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637229622064148235&sdata=GCBMy196MZ1t76SKma0mLXIpUAEt5kRVC2EAnzn2gdM%3D&reserved=0 > > >> >>> < > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fgoogle%2Fclosure-library&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C10c9e091b8054ef206df08d7e4f70e1a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637229622064148235&sdata=GCBMy196MZ1t76SKma0mLXIpUAEt5kRVC2EAnzn2gdM%3D&reserved=0 > > >> >>> >" > > >> >>> > /> > > >> >>> > <arg value="${closure.root}" /> > > >> >>> > </exec> > > >> >>> > <echo>Cloned fresh copy of Google > Closure > > >> Library</echo> > > >> >>> > </target> > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > I am not sure how this executable call works > without > > the > > >> full path. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > I checked the env variables, I do have both the > > git/bin and > > >> git/cmd > > >> >>> > directory in the PATH: > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > [cid:ii_k97zkk9o0] > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > What am I missing? > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Thanks, > > >> >>> > Om > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:54 PM OmPrakash > Muppirala < > > >> >>> bigosma...@gmail.com > > >> >>> > <mailto:bigosma...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> >>> > Update - I have successfully attached my VM as > a slave > > >> agent of our > > >> >>> > Jenkins instance. > > >> >>> > I am going to pull the job - > /royale-asjs_jsonly and > > tie it > > >> to my > > >> >>> agent so > > >> >>> > I can test it. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > It will fail for a sometime while I go set up > my VM > > with > > >> all the > > >> >>> > dependencies. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Once we have the job successfully building on > my VM, > > we can > > >> figure > > >> >>> out how > > >> >>> > to divide the load between the master and agent. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Thanks, > > >> >>> > Om > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:59 AM OmPrakash > Muppirala < > > >> >>> bigosma...@gmail.com > > >> >>> > <mailto:bigosma...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> >>> > We could achieve the same by creating a new > agent > > (separate > > >> vm) and > > >> >>> > attaching it as a slave to the current Jenkins > server. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Then we can use labels/tags to tie release jobs > to one > > >> agent and > > >> >>> non > > >> >>> > release jobs to another agent. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > That way we can maintain everything in one UI, > one > > login > > >> while > > >> >>> achieving > > >> >>> > the concurrent building capabilities we want. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Jenkins is built for this kind of stuff and I > think it > > >> would be > > >> >>> best we > > >> >>> > followed this practice. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Thanks, > > >> >>> > Om > > >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 8:18 AM Alex Harui > > >> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> > > >> >>> wrote: > > >> >>> > Om, I thought you were going to get the image > from my > > VM > > >> and run > > >> >>> it on > > >> >>> > another VM. Then we'd remove all non-release > jobs > > from > > >> your VM > > >> >>> and all of > > >> >>> > the release jobs from my VM. That won't solve > the > > problem > > >> of how > > >> >>> long it > > >> >>> > takes for a commit to be built and tested, but > will > > allow > > >> the RM > > >> >>> to get a > > >> >>> > release out without getting stuck behind the > commit > > jobs. > > >> Is that > > >> >>> > currently the plan? > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > -Alex > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > On 4/18/20, 12:43 AM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" < > > >> bigosma...@gmail.com > > >> >>> <mailto: > > >> >>> > bigosma...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Makes sense to me. I will set parallel > executors > > back > > >> to 1. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > And start working on a new Jenkins instance. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Thanks, > > >> >>> > Om > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 12:28 AM Alex Harui > > >> >>> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> > > >> >>> > wrote: > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > Are you saying that Java, Ant and Maven > do not > > know > > >> how to > > >> >>> > distribute work > > >> >>> > > to different cores? > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > To repeat my main concern: our Jenkins > jobs > > often > > >> use shared > > >> >>> > resources. > > >> >>> > > If you want to take the time to fix that, > feel > > free, > > >> but I > > >> >>> do not > > >> >>> > know how > > >> >>> > > you are going to keep two jobs from both > trying > > to > > >> launch > > >> >>> Flash > > >> >>> > Player > > >> >>> > > Debugger at the same time and open the > same > > socket to > > >> >>> communicate > > >> >>> > with it, > > >> >>> > > or try to parse the flashlog.txt that > they have > > both > > >> written > > >> >>> to. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > The royale-asjs job will use the > royale-compiler > > >> workspace > > >> >>> to get the > > >> >>> > > compiler. If the compiler is building, > the > > jars are > > >> not > > >> >>> there and > > >> >>> > the > > >> >>> > > royale-asjs build fails. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > There is also only so much memory and > some of > > our > > >> jobs use > > >> >>> all of it > > >> >>> > and > > >> >>> > > I'm not sure if jobs slowed down due to > paging > > memory > > >> and > > >> >>> > writing/reading > > >> >>> > > from disk, even if it is an SSD. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > I'm done for tonight, but that's what I > was > > seeing > > >> last time > > >> >>> I tried > > >> >>> > to > > >> >>> > > have both master and an agent running > jobs in > > >> parallel. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > Thanks, > > >> >>> > > -Alex > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > On 4/17/20, 11:52 PM, "OmPrakash > Muppirala" < > > >> >>> bigosma...@gmail.com > > >> >>> > <mailto:bigosma...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > A typical setup would be to have 0 > > executors on > > >> master > > >> >>> and at > > >> >>> > least n > > >> >>> > > number of executors on each agent, > where n = > > >> number of > > >> >>> cpu cores. > > >> >>> > > I see that the current VM has 2 > cores. So, > > I > > >> started > > >> >>> with > > >> >>> > setting the > > >> >>> > > num > > >> >>> > > executors on the current agent to 2. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > This should improve things quite a > bit. If > > this > > >> doesn't > > >> >>> work, I > > >> >>> > will > > >> >>> > > create a new VM and make it the slave > agent > > of the > > >> >>> current > > >> >>> > Jenkins > > >> >>> > > master. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > Thanks, > > >> >>> > > Om > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:31 PM Alex > Harui > > >> >>> > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> > > >> >>> > > wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > On your VM or mine? I don't think > mine > > can > > >> handle > > >> >>> it. I used > > >> >>> > to > > >> >>> > > run jobs > > >> >>> > > > of master and agent and we got lots > of > > failures > > >> and > > >> >>> jobs took > > >> >>> > > forever. If > > >> >>> > > > two jobs are trying to run tests > with the > > >> shared Flash > > >> >>> Player > > >> >>> > > Debugger, for > > >> >>> > > > example, you won't get consistent > results. > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > -Alex > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > On 4/17/20, 11:23 PM, "OmPrakash > > Muppirala" < > > >> >>> > bigosma...@gmail.com<mailto: > bigosma...@gmail.com>> > > >> >>> > > wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > I just realized that we have > only one > > Agent > > >> (node) > > >> >>> listed > > >> >>> > under > > >> >>> > > > Jenkins. I > > >> >>> > > > am going to add at least one > more > > node to > > >> start > > >> >>> with. > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > Thanks, > > >> >>> > > > Om > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:58 AM > Alex > > Harui > > >> >>> > > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> > > >> >>> > > > wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > I think I followed the > instructions > > and > > >> enabled > > >> >>> SSH. > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > On 4/16/20, 9:37 AM, "Yishay > Weiss" > > < > > >> >>> > yishayj...@hotmail.com<mailto: > yishayj...@hotmail.com > > >> > > >> >>> > > wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > I haven’t gotten it to > work. > > Could be > > >> ssh > > >> >>> needs to be > > >> >>> > > enabled on > > >> >>> > > > the > > >> >>> > > > > VM [1]. This is nice to have > but not > > >> essential. > > >> >>> So Alex, > > >> >>> > let > > >> >>> > > me know > > >> >>> > > > if you > > >> >>> > > > > want to try that, otherwise > I’ll > > suspend > > >> my > > >> >>> efforts on > > >> >>> > this. > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > [1] > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2Ftechinpieces%2Fpractical-azure-how-to-enable-ssh-on-azure-vm-84d8fba8103e&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C10c9e091b8054ef206df08d7e4f70e1a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637229622064148235&sdata=Ikff9UaqSEGPgLs%2BUuFu3LC4nuq5DNyrECvZel0PnuE%3D&reserved=0 > > >> >>> > < > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2Ftechinpieces%2Fpractical-azure-how-to-enable-ssh-on-azure-vm-84d8fba8103e&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C10c9e091b8054ef206df08d7e4f70e1a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637229622064148235&sdata=Ikff9UaqSEGPgLs%2BUuFu3LC4nuq5DNyrECvZel0PnuE%3D&reserved=0 > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > From: Yishay Weiss<mailto: > > >> >>> yishayj...@hotmail.com > > >> >>> > <mailto:yishayj...@hotmail.com>> > > >> >>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April > 15, 2020 > > 5:09 > > >> PM > > >> >>> > > > > To: dev@royale.apache.org > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > dev@royale.apache.org><mailto: > dev@royale.apache.org > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > dev@royale.apache.org>> > > >> >>> > > > > Subject: RE: Prioritize > Release > > Jobs > > >> on CI > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > I’d like to try and > install an > > ssh > > >> server. > > >> >>> Can anyone > > >> >>> > > think of a > > >> >>> > > > > reason not to do that? I’m > asking in > > >> terms of > > >> >>> security, > > >> >>> > and if > > >> >>> > > there > > >> >>> > > > might > > >> >>> > > > > be a problem because it’s a > VM. > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Thanks. > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > From: Yishay Weiss<mailto: > > >> >>> yishayj...@hotmail.com > > >> >>> > <mailto:yishayj...@hotmail.com>> > > >> >>> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, > 2020 > > 10:02 AM > > >> >>> > > > > To: dev@royale.apache.org > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > dev@royale.apache.org><mailto: > dev@royale.apache.org > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > dev@royale.apache.org>> > > >> >>> > > > > Subject: RE: Prioritize > Release > > Jobs > > >> on CI > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Related, as most (all?) > of the > > >> instructions > > >> >>> don’t > > >> >>> > require > > >> >>> > > > anything but > > >> >>> > > > > a shell wouldn’t it be easier > and > > faster > > >> to > > >> >>> access the > > >> >>> > machine > > >> >>> > > with > > >> >>> > > > ssh > > >> >>> > > > > [1], rather than using remote > > desktop? > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > [1] > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows-server%2Fadministration%2Fopenssh%2Fopenssh_install_firstuse&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C10c9e091b8054ef206df08d7e4f70e1a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637229622064148235&sdata=lIgC2%2F5w04u%2FXw87mk6OSSykzt%2F8st4vgZDB0yT54Dg%3D&reserved=0 > > >> >>> > < > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows-server%2Fadministration%2Fopenssh%2Fopenssh_install_firstuse&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C10c9e091b8054ef206df08d7e4f70e1a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637229622064148235&sdata=lIgC2%2F5w04u%2FXw87mk6OSSykzt%2F8st4vgZDB0yT54Dg%3D&reserved=0 > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > From: Yishay Weiss<mailto: > > >> >>> yishayj...@hotmail.com > > >> >>> > <mailto:yishayj...@hotmail.com>> > > >> >>> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, > 2020 > > 9:55 AM > > >> >>> > > > > To: dev@royale.apache.org > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > dev@royale.apache.org><mailto: > dev@royale.apache.org > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > dev@royale.apache.org>> > > >> >>> > > > > Subject: RE: Prioritize > Release > > Jobs > > >> on CI > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Can’t you do that with > remote > > desktop? > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > ________________________________ > > >> >>> > > > > From: OmPrakash Muppirala > < > > >> >>> bigosma...@gmail.com > > >> >>> > <mailto:bigosma...@gmail.com>> > > >> >>> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 13, > 2020 > > 9:51:25 > > >> AM > > >> >>> > > > > To: Apache Royale > Development < > > >> >>> dev@royale.apache.org > > >> >>> > <mailto:dev@royale.apache.org>> > > >> >>> > > > > Subject: Re: Prioritize > Release > > Jobs > > >> on CI > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Alex, > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > I believe this is your > personal > > Azure > > >> >>> subscription > > >> >>> > right? > > >> >>> > > Any > > >> >>> > > > chance > > >> >>> > > > > I can > > >> >>> > > > > get access to it so I can > try > > to copy > > >> the > > >> >>> image out > > >> >>> > the > > >> >>> > > machine > > >> >>> > > > and > > >> >>> > > > > redeploy it somewhere > else? > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Thanks, > > >> >>> > > > > Om > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at > 6:18 PM > > >> OmPrakash > > >> >>> Muppirala < > > >> >>> > > > > bigosma...@gmail.com<mailto: > > >> bigosma...@gmail.com > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> > > > > wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > I can help set this up > on > > Azure. > > >> Give me > > >> >>> some > > >> >>> > time to > > >> >>> > > work > > >> >>> > > > out the > > >> >>> > > > > > details? > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Thanks, > > >> >>> > > > > > Om > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, > 11:49 AM > > >> Harbs < > > >> >>> > > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto: > > harbs.li...@gmail.com>> > > >> >>> > > > wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> OK. Good to know. > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> > On Apr 12, 2020, at > 9:45 > > PM, > > >> Alex Harui > > >> >>> > > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > FWIW, I just looked > and the > > >> longest job > > >> >>> in the > > >> >>> > release > > >> >>> > > > steps so > > >> >>> > > > > far is > > >> >>> > > > > >> 8 minutes. Most are > under 2 > > >> minutes. > > >> >>> There > > >> >>> > might be > > >> >>> > > jobs > > >> >>> > > > later > > >> >>> > > > > that take > > >> >>> > > > > >> longer that we haven't > run > > yet. > > >> IMO, the > > >> >>> issue > > >> >>> > isn't > > >> >>> > > speed > > >> >>> > > > of the > > >> >>> > > > > machine, > > >> >>> > > > > >> it is just that we are > > sharing the > > >> >>> machine with > > >> >>> > longer > > >> >>> > > jobs > > >> >>> > > > (1 hour > > >> >>> > > > > for > > >> >>> > > > > >> TourDeFlexMigration). > And > > again, > > >> the > > >> >>> machine > > >> >>> > will be > > >> >>> > > idle for > > >> >>> > > > > stretches of > > >> >>> > > > > >> time while the RM > verifies > > >> artifacts > > >> >>> after each > > >> >>> > step. > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > -Alex > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > On 4/12/20, 11:32 AM, > > "Harbs" < > > >> >>> > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto: > harbs.li...@gmail.com> > > >> >>> > > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > > > > >> harbs.li...@gmail.com > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > harbs.li...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > Fair enough. > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > I expect builds > to be > > >> somewhere > > >> >>> between 10 > > >> >>> > and 20 > > >> >>> > > times > > >> >>> > > > faster > > >> >>> > > > > on a > > >> >>> > > > > >> powerful machine. > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > Yeah. It’s > probably > > going to > > >> be a > > >> >>> bit of work > > >> >>> > > changing > > >> >>> > > > the > > >> >>> > > > > server, > > >> >>> > > > > >> but probably worth it > in the > > long > > >> run. > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > I think I’ll try > this > > when I > > >> do the > > >> >>> next > > >> >>> > release > > >> >>> > > unless > > >> >>> > > > Yishay > > >> >>> > > > > wants > > >> >>> > > > > >> to work with me on > this for > > this > > >> release > > >> >>> — but > > >> >>> > I’m not > > >> >>> > > going > > >> >>> > > > to be > > >> >>> > > > > able to > > >> >>> > > > > >> help until after > Passover > > (i.e. > > >> next > > >> >>> week). > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> >>> > > > > >> > Harbs > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> On Apr 12, 2020, at > 9:22 > > PM, > > >> Alex Harui > > >> >>> > > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> The Azure portal > says: > > Standard > > >> F2s_v2 > > >> >>> (2 > > >> >>> > vcpus, 4 > > >> >>> > > GiB > > >> >>> > > > memory) > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> I think I am reading > > changes to > > >> the > > >> >>> build > > >> >>> > process in > > >> >>> > > your > > >> >>> > > > > >> suggestions. I do not > > really want > > >> to > > >> >>> spend more > > >> >>> > of my > > >> >>> > > time > > >> >>> > > > on this > > >> >>> > > > > >> process. But if you > want to > > do > > >> the work, > > >> >>> that's > > >> >>> > fine > > >> >>> > > with me. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> -Alex > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> On 4/12/20, 10:57 > AM, > > "Harbs" < > > >> >>> > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto: > harbs.li...@gmail.com> > > >> >>> > > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > > > > >> harbs.li...@gmail.com > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > harbs.li...@gmail.com>> <mailto: > harbs.li...@gmail.com > > >> <mailto: > > >> >>> > harbs.li...@gmail.com> > > >> >>> > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > > > > >> harbs.li...@gmail.com > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > harbs.li...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> What kind of > horsepower > > is > > >> included > > >> >>> in the > > >> >>> > free > > >> >>> > > Azure > > >> >>> > > > account? > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> The server I > mentioned > > builds > > >> >>> (considerably) > > >> >>> > > faster than > > >> >>> > > > my own > > >> >>> > > > > >> local machine. The ci > server > > seems > > >> to > > >> >>> build many > > >> >>> > times > > >> >>> > > slower. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> One thing we can > do to > > >> minimize > > >> >>> running > > >> >>> > server time > > >> >>> > > > would be to > > >> >>> > > > > >> transfer the artifacts > to > > storage > > >> instead > > >> >>> of > > >> >>> > keeping > > >> >>> > > them on > > >> >>> > > > the > > >> >>> > > > > server. On > > >> >>> > > > > >> AWS, I’d probably use > S3. > > Not sure > > >> what > > >> >>> the > > >> >>> > similar > > >> >>> > > service on > > >> >>> > > > > Azure is > > >> >>> > > > > >> called. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, > at 8:26 > > PM, > > >> Alex > > >> >>> Harui > > >> >>> > > > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > > >> >>> > > > > >> <mailto: > > aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > > >> <mailto: > > >> >>> > aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> OK, that's pretty > much > > how I > > >> >>> understand Azure > > >> >>> > as > > >> >>> > > well. > > >> >>> > > > The key > > >> >>> > > > > thing > > >> >>> > > > > >> is that "running" > includes > > time > > >> where the > > >> >>> CI > > >> >>> > server is > > >> >>> > > not > > >> >>> > > > running > > >> >>> > > > > any > > >> >>> > > > > >> Jenkins jobs. The CI > Server > > steps > > >> might > > >> >>> take > > >> >>> > only a few > > >> >>> > > > hours of > > >> >>> > > > > actual > > >> >>> > > > > >> server time, but there > is > > time > > >> where the > > >> >>> RM is > > >> >>> > verifying > > >> >>> > > > artifacts > > >> >>> > > > > locally > > >> >>> > > > > >> so you'd be paying for > that > > or the > > >> RM > > >> >>> would have > > >> >>> > to keep > > >> >>> > > > shutting > > >> >>> > > > > down and > > >> >>> > > > > >> restarting. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> Seems like it > would be > > >> >>> cheaper/simpler to get > > >> >>> > the > > >> >>> > > free > > >> >>> > > > MSDN > > >> >>> > > > > account > > >> >>> > > > > >> and leave it running. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> -Alex > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> On 4/12/20, 10:15 > AM, > > "Harbs" < > > >> >>> > > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto: > > harbs.li...@gmail.com> > > >> >>> > > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > > > > >> harbs.li...@gmail.com > > <mailto: > > >> >>> > harbs.li...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> My experience is > with > > AWS. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> I assume > Microsoft has > > similar > > >> >>> offerings, > > >> >>> > but I > > >> >>> > > don’t > > >> >>> > > > have > > >> >>> > > > > >> experience with Azure. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> AWS has on-demand > EC2 > > >> instances > > >> >>> which you > > >> >>> > pay for > > >> >>> > > only > > >> >>> > > > the > > >> >>> > > > > actual > > >> >>> > > > > >> time that they are > > running.[1] > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> Instances can be > > started and > > >> stopped > > >> >>> via > > >> >>> > command > > >> >>> > > line > > >> >>> > > > (or via > > >> >>> > > > > the > > >> >>> > > > > >> web interface) as long > as > > you have > > >> valid > > >> >>> > credentials to > > >> >>> > > do so. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> For example: an > > m5.4xlarge > > >> instance > > >> >>> has 16 > > >> >>> > cores > > >> >>> > > and > > >> >>> > > > costs > > >> >>> > > > > about > > >> >>> > > > > >> $1.5 per hour. On a > machine > > like > > >> that, a > > >> >>> full > > >> >>> > build > > >> >>> > > would > > >> >>> > > > probably > > >> >>> > > > > take > > >> >>> > > > > >> less than 10 minutes. > It’s > > probably > > >> >>> possible to > > >> >>> > do a > > >> >>> > > full > > >> >>> > > > release > > >> >>> > > > > with only > > >> >>> > > > > >> a few hours of server > time. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> Leaving a server > like > > that > > >> running > > >> >>> all the > > >> >>> > time > > >> >>> > > would get > > >> >>> > > > > expensive, > > >> >>> > > > > >> but if it’s just spun > up for > > >> releases, > > >> >>> you’d get > > >> >>> > very > > >> >>> > > fast > > >> >>> > > > builds > > >> >>> > > > > at a > > >> >>> > > > > >> reasonable price. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> I’d be happy to > pay > > $10-$50 > > >> (and > > >> >>> possibly > > >> >>> > more) per > > >> >>> > > > release to > > >> >>> > > > > make > > >> >>> > > > > >> 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with > > >> >>> spinning up > > >> >>> > > servers. The > > >> >>> > > > CI > > >> >>> > > > > server we > > >> >>> > > > > >> are using is > effectively > > free, > > >> based on a > > >> >>> generous > > >> >>> > > donation > > >> >>> > > > from > > >> >>> > > > > Microsoft > > >> >>> > > > > >> of MSDN accounts to ASF > > >> committers. So I > > >> >>> leave > > >> >>> > it up > > >> >>> > > 24/7, > > >> >>> > > > and > > >> >>> > > > > share the > > >> >>> > > > > >> RDP access on private@. > I > > think > > >> any > > >> >>> other ASF > > >> >>> > > committer > > >> >>> > > > could do > > >> >>> > > > > the > > >> >>> > > > > >> same. IIRC, if that > server > > >> actually is > > >> >>> stopped, > > >> >>> > I have > > >> >>> > > to > > >> >>> > > > use my > > >> >>> > > > > personal > > >> >>> > > > > >> (unshared) MSDN > credentials > > to > > >> start it > > >> >>> again. > > >> >>> > AIUI, > > >> >>> > > if I > > >> >>> > > > > actually paid > > >> >>> > > > > >> for the server, it > would > > cost me > > >> to leave > > >> >>> it > > >> >>> > running > > >> >>> > > even if > > >> >>> > > > it > > >> >>> > > > > didn't run > > >> >>> > > > > >> jobs between releases. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> Is that what you > are > > basically > > >> >>> saying? I > > >> >>> > think it > > >> >>> > > might > > >> >>> > > > be > > >> >>> > > > > best if > > >> >>> > > > > >> another committer got > a CI > > server > > >> going > > >> >>> via the MS > > >> >>> > > donation > > >> >>> > > > and > > >> >>> > > > > could leave > > >> >>> > > > > >> it up 24/7. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> -Alex > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> On 4/12/20, 9:28 > AM, > > "Harbs" < > > >> >>> > > harbs.li...@gmail.com<mailto: > > harbs.li...@gmail.com>> > > >> >>> > > > wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> I’m willing to do > this. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> Considering that > the > > release > > >> will be > > >> >>> run > > >> >>> > > infrequently, it > > >> >>> > > > > should be > > >> >>> > > > > >> doable to have a > relatively > > >> powerful > > >> >>> server that > > >> >>> > could > > >> >>> > > be > > >> >>> > > > spun up on > > >> >>> > > > > >> demand. This is > something I > > have > > >> setup > > >> >>> for my own > > >> >>> > > releases. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> The only > complication > > would > > >> be that > > >> >>> each RM > > >> >>> > would > > >> >>> > > need > > >> >>> > > > valid > > >> >>> > > > > >> credentials to spin up > the > > server. > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> Harbs > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>>> On Apr 12, 2020, > at > > 7:10 PM, > > >> Alex > > >> >>> Harui > > >> >>> > > > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> > > >> >>> > > > > >> wrote: > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>>>> A better > solution, > > IMO, is > > >> for > > >> >>> someone else > > >> >>> > to > > >> >>> > > offer up > > >> >>> > > > a CI > > >> >>> > > > > server > > >> >>> > > > > >> only for release jobs. > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
