Hi Guys, It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project! I still need to go through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I don't see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project elsewhere.
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar <raj.janor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thats Great Site Darren. > Lets give new life to Shindig. > > I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig. > > Regards, Raj > > On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond <db...@globalcad.com> wrote: > > > Hi Raj, > > > > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com > > > > Happy to share some experiences too. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Darren > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > > From: "Raj Janorkar" <raj.janor...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" <chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > > <javascript:;>> > > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org <javascript:;>" <dev@shindig.apache.org > > <javascript:;>> > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM > > > > Just to let you know > > > > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn > > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com > > > > I can definitely share some working examples. > > > > Cheers. > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < > > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > Hi Raj, > > > > > > well I guess this makes 2 of us! Let's wait for what others have to > say > > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar <raj.janor...@gmail.com > > <javascript:;>> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Chris, > > >> i am ready. > > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but > > couldn't > > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website. > > >> > > >> This time i can help creating few html pages. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Raj > > >> > > >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos < > > >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi all, > > >> > > > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so > > far, I > > >> > have come down to the following conclusion. > > >> > > > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the > > >> shadows > > >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating, > > >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company > like > > >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project > for > > a > > >> > number of years now). > > >> > > > >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened > with > > >> many > > >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of > time > > >> and > > >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if > > >> things > > >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is > > that > > >> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no > > big > > >> > name is really interested any more. > > >> > > > >> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt > the > > >> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve > > >> their > > >> > purposes. And this is exactly where we stand at the moment. I can > > >> totally > > >> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the > same > > >> time > > >> > I get Ryan's point of view. So how do we handle this situation? > > >> Speaking > > >> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a > > >> country > > >> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is > > that > > >> a > > >> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better > > tomorrow. > > >> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way > > of > > >> > course :) > > >> > > > >> > I think that now is the right time to make a change. Things have > > >> changed > > >> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and > > >> > communities. Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the > place > > >> to be > > >> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't > mean > > >> that > > >> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies. But all > > the > > >> > action now is over at GitHub. > > >> > > > >> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's > > >> perspective) > > >> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals: > > >> > > > >> > - We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct > > parts - > > >> > personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no > > >> interest > > >> > in > > >> > them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and > > >> rendering > > >> > facilities. But there are people like Rene who have invested a > lot > > >> of > > >> > time > > >> > and work on extending the OpenSocial features. > > >> > - We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in > the > > >> > first place (speaking for myself once more). I think that this > is > > >> very > > >> > important since we want to make a bold statement to communities > > that > > >> > this > > >> > technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out > > >> > because > > >> > it may solve them a number of problems. > > >> > - Create a modern web site on GitHub where we can all share our > > >> > experiences through show cases, usage examples and tutorials > > >> > - We start thinking around the concept of a gadget-centered > > >> marketplace > > >> > - in the context of show casing stuff. If I remember correctly > > >> Darren's > > >> > team has already launched a project which is very similar to the > > >> iGoogle > > >> > web site so he could certainly provide some ideas. > > >> > - Issues and feature requests can be handled directly though > GitHub > > >> in a > > >> > more agile and community oriented approach without any of the > > >> > bureaucratic > > >> > processes imposed by the Apache Foundation. Once the 'monolith' > is > > >> > broken > > >> > down into different projects then it would be more manageable and > > >> people > > >> > having certain skills could join forces > > >> > - By utilizing technologies like Docker there is no need for > > hosting > > >> > resources and sample material - we can bundle our examples, show > > >> cases, > > >> > etc > > >> > in self-sufficient Docker images and host them over @ DockerHub. > > The > > >> > integration with GitHub is seamless so this is a no brainer > > >> > - Reach out to Atlassian, Jive and the rest of the companies who > we > > >> know > > >> > for sure that they have invested a lot in this technology (and > > >> actively > > >> > use > > >> > it) to help with this effort - e.g. Atlassian has extended > Shindig > > >> > container & engine to meet their requirements and they definitely > > >> have > > >> > devs > > >> > who know the bits and pieces > > >> > > > >> > So the question now for me is really simple. How many of us want to > > >> move > > >> > over to the next phase without getting into any sort of credibility > > >> issues > > >> > regarding our choices? +1 from me. > > >> > > > >> > Kind regards, > > >> > Chris > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Ryan Baxter <rbaxte...@apache.org > > <javascript:;> > > >> > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > I completely understand. I can't speak to the continued support > of > > >> > vendors > > >> > > who have adopted Shindig, but I would imagine that they can't just > > >> stop > > >> > > supporting the products consuming Shindig. I am sorry that this > > puts > > >> you > > >> > > in a tough position but this is a natural cycle of open source > > >> software. > > >> > > With no community willing to support and enhance the project there > > is > > >> not > > >> > > much we can do. If someone takes the code and the project regains > > >> life > > >> > > somewhere else, that is great. > > >> > > > > >> > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM Ichiro Furusato < > > >> > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> > > >> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Ryan, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and > > >> > > architects > > >> > > > and > > >> > > > advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery > if > > >> the > > >> > > > project has > > >> > > > folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate > legacy > > >> > > portals > > >> > > > (that > > >> > > > have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as > > replacements) > > >> > using > > >> > > > Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social > > >> Gadgets. > > >> > > > With > > >> > > > the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded > > Shindig > > >> > will > > >> > > > likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its > > use. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of > > the > > >> > > > project. If the > > >> > > > project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of > > >> dollars > > >> > of > > >> > > > online > > >> > > > delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for > > >> that > > >> > > > decision > > >> > > > I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its > use > > >> at > > >> > > this > > >> > > > stage. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Sadly. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Cheers, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Ichiro > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter < > rbaxte...@gmail.com > > <javascript:;> > > >> > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't > > mean > > >> you > > >> > > > can't > > >> > > > > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now > > for > > >> > you > > >> > > > than > > >> > > > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < > > >> > > > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> > > >> > > >> > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very > > sad > > >> to > > >> > > hear > > >> > > > > of > > >> > > > > > the demise of what > > >> > > > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature > > >> project. > > >> > For > > >> > > > the > > >> > > > > > past nine months I have > > >> > > > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation > > and > > >> > > > industry > > >> > > > > > delivery platforms of the > > >> > > > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a > > >> > > > Liferay/Shindig > > >> > > > > > based site. Over the > > >> > > > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are > > currently > > >> > > > awaiting > > >> > > > > > the next project > > >> > > > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management > > >> team > > >> > and > > >> > > > > tell > > >> > > > > > them that the > > >> > > > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat > > >> > embarrassing, > > >> > > > and > > >> > > > > we > > >> > > > > > will likewise now > > >> > > > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead > > >> designer > > >> > I > > >> > > > have > > >> > > > > > been quite happy > > >> > > > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had > > >> looked > > >> > > > forward > > >> > > > > > to a robust > > >> > > > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty > > service > > >> > with > > >> > > a > > >> > > > > > shiny new Gadget-based > > >> > > > > > solution. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, > > >> very > > >> > > sorry > > >> > > > > to > > >> > > > > > hear about it being > > >> > > > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the > dev > > >> side > > >> > at > > >> > > > > > Apache but we were actively > > >> > > > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our > > >> online > > >> > > > > weather > > >> > > > > > delivery solution. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Ichiro > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter < > > >> rbaxte...@apache.org <javascript:;> > > >> > <javascript:;>> > > >> > > >> > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has > > >> voted > > >> > to > > >> > > > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I > > >> have > > >> > > > already > > >> > > > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this > > months > > >> > > board > > >> > > > > > report > > >> > > > > > > (below). > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a > decline > > in > > >> > > > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past > > >> months > > >> > > and > > >> > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. > This > > >> can > > >> > > > > > certainly > > >> > > > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will > > be > > >> > sure > > >> > > to > > >> > > > > > keep > > >> > > > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the > > attic. > > >> > > > Thanks. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -Ryan > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [1] > > >> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > >> > > > > > > From: Ryan Baxter <rbaxte...@apache.org <javascript:;> > > <javascript:;>> > > >> > > > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > >> > > > > > > To: bo...@apache.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;> < > > bo...@apache.org <javascript:;> > > >> > <javascript:;>> > > >> > > > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org <javascript:;> > > <javascript:;> < > > >> > priv...@shindig.apache.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache > > >> > > DirectMemory > > >> > > > > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project > > to > > >> the > > >> > > > > > > Attic; and > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the > > best > > >> > > > > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig > > >> project > > >> > > > > > > due to inactivity; > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > > >> > > > > > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > > >> > > > > > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache > Shindig > > >> > > > > > > Project; and be it further > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache > > Shindig" > > >> is > > >> > > > > > > hereby terminated; and be it further > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby > terminated. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Chris Spiliotopoulos > > >> > > > >> > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn > > >> > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter > > >> > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Chris Spiliotopoulos > > > > > > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter > > > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> > > > > > > >
