Hello Martin, On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Martin Cooper <mfncoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Christian Grobmeier
>> I have added a hero section. > A what? This is the first huge section, showing what the page is about. Like here: http://incubator.apache.org/directmemory/ >> Unfortunately I needed to remove the h2, h3 etc to make this work >> because of a doxia bug. It seems it is already fixed in trunk, so I >> think we can leave it now and replace it later. (the bug replaces h2 >> with <div class="secton"><h2>... - this kills everything) > > I'd say the missing h2, h3, et al, is a showstopper. OK, then we can't use fluido now, except we add anything in sequence (like it is today). This is terrible to read imho and so the question is if we need to wait for a new doxia release then. >> I think we should make the text somehow smaller if possible. It is >> very much too read and probably we should just have a teaser on the >> the various paragraphs. > > I disagree. The Recent Releases section needs to come back to the top, > where it is prominent for the majority of existing users, who are > returning for the latest update. The remainder of the page is designed > for those new to Struts, and there needs to be enough meat right there > on the home page to hold their interest and entice them to stay on the > site, rather than just provide a bunch of links and hope they'll click > on one. I didn't mean smaller in terms of font size, sorry for being unclear. Actually the "news" section is on top right and very prominent to me. Struts has an "Announcements" page were everything is detail. This page is pretty useless if we write nearly everything on the frontpage. In addtion there are release notes. There are 3 different pages containing similar information. I don't think this is good and should be streamlined. In addition, the current "news" on the front page are from 2008 two times and one from 2011. So... the 2008 news are not really helpful to anybody. I would remove them or keep them on the annoucments page if necessary. > >> In addtion, we should use some kind of "news format". Like: >> >> 10.12.2001 >> Struts 2.2.3.1 released >> This release contains a security fix. >> See: Release Note >> >> And so on. I mean: date, short headline, short content (just one >> sentence) and the link to the release notes. > > For releases, that's exactly what Recent Releases is for, and that's > why it should be at the top. Other announcements are on the > Announcements page, linked from the menu. As mentioned it is on top (right). Announcements page contains only the 2011 release. And "recent releases" cotains 2008 releases. Not very recent. > >> So - what do you think abou it? > > I see some significant issues with the sample home page: > > * The dark menu bar thing at the top wraps in a weird way, and starts > to cover up the logos, which looks really bad. (And it's not obvious > that it's a wrapping issue unless you have enough real estate to > resize and avoid the wrap.) There are also weird garbage artifacts > when you work with this menu bar. Given that it provides no additional > functionality, is very ugly, and doesn't work well, I'd recommend > scrapping it. This dark menu bar is called "topbar" in fludio terms. It is pretty easy to disable it and I have no problems with doing that. Basically it contains the same link as on the left side. I have left it in b/c many people seem to like that nowadays. Anyway, I am with you and remove it. Btw, the covering of the logo is b/c the topbar is fixed position. This is what Gmail and those kind of apps do today, I think this is the reason why it has been brought into bootstrap. Well, i remove it. > * There's a huge waste of space with just "Apache Struts" in a big > font, one sentence, and two buttons. Given that this is right below > both the ASF logo, at top left, and the Struts logo, at top right, > this serves no function and just takes up space - and prime real > estate, at that - and forces everyone to scroll to get to anything > useful. This is the "hero unit". Actually I disagree. It gives you the chance to see at one glance what it is about and leads you to the most important links: technic primer and downloads. I don't know what your monitor size is, but I don't have to scroll. Anyway this is a matter of taste, if others don't like it, I can remove it of course. > * The column width does not increase as I resize my browser window. > Yet I'm forced to resize the window to get the menu to render > properly. Can you explain whcih browser size you are using? And which menu does not render - the topbar or the sidebar? Probably this will explain why you say the "recents news" are not on top, because they move down if the browser is to small. > * We need proper headings (as mentioned above) rather than the random > first words in a section in a big bold font. Section titles are chosen > for meaning. As there is nobody parsing this site I wonder why this is so important for the moment when it looks the same. Of course I would like to have proper h2 etc too, but then fluido is not possible as explained above (or we use sequential paragraphs) > * The release information at the bottom is in a super-narrow column > for no apparent reason, again forcing me to scroll unnecessarily. Just an idea - why not putting the latest "recent release" into the hero unit? 2008 can be left out imho, but the the hero unit would have more functionality too. > * The Next link, leading to the sequence running through our pages, is > missing completely. The next link on the bottom was leading to the "releass" page. I have put this link into the hero unit and renamed it to "Download" for better visibility. > * Visited links are not coloured differently from unvisited ones. Thats a feature of bootstrap. I have already had this discussion on the incubator ml. I don't like have the colors changed. But others seem to like it. If you would like that, please name me a color which you would like to see for visited links and I will use it. > Overall, it looks pretty and trendy, but actual usability has gone > down the tubes and is pretty awful. I'd personally prefer to see us > stick with what we have unless the usability can be brought back to at > least what we have now. Usability is far more important than pretty or > trendy. OK.... actually the current page is not very usable for me because: - way to much text on it - search is somewhere hidden on the bottom - no easy way to get to the downloads - outdated news - news do not differ in design from other text - everything to "plain" for my eyes - Announcments page does contain less information the "recent releases" box on frontpage - "Release notes" are not found easily (actually I am still searching while typing) - the "page flow" with the next links somewhere on the bottom is broken when you reach the Kickstart FAQ. Or is this intended? Last but not least, it seems the Struts page do not conform the branding requirements. I see only: "Copyright © 2000-2011 The Apache Software Foundation. All Rights Reserved." But shouldn't it containt this too?: "Apache Foo, Foo, Apache, the Apache feather logo, and the Apache Foo project logo are trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation." http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html Cheers, Christian > > -- > Martin Cooper > > >> Cheers >> Christian >> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Maurizio Cucchiara >> <mcucchi...@apache.org> wrote: >>> Just for the record looks like Simone has already moved out of the >>> sandbox the plugin >>> >>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/skins/trunk/maven-fluido-skin/ >>> >>> Anyway I would like to see a kind of refresh on struts website, you >>> can count on my help. >>> >>> Twitter :http://www.twitter.com/m_cucchiara >>> G+ :https://plus.google.com/107903711540963855921 >>> Linkedin :http://www.linkedin.com/in/mauriziocucchiara >>> >>> Maurizio Cucchiara >>> >>> >>> >>> On 16 November 2011 17:47, Maurizio Cucchiara <mcucchi...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> Hi Christian, >>>> I have done some tests a couple of weeks ago, IIRC there was some >>>> issue using the fluido plugin. >>>> For what concern the website, consider that struts website root >>>> resides, as you noticed before, belong the following path >>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site/ >>>> >>>> Here there is the S2 website (nothing more than a single page :) ) >>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/src/site/ >>>> >>>> And the third one, is used by the Confluence export plugin (I'm pretty >>>> sure, though I could be wrong) >>>> >>>> With that saying, I published the fluido verson of struts website >>>> http://people.apache.org/~mcucchiara/struts/www/ >>>> Let's see the first impressions (for example I just realized that >>>> fluido doesn't provide the links to S1, S2 on top bar). >>>> >>>> Twitter :http://www.twitter.com/m_cucchiara >>>> G+ :https://plus.google.com/107903711540963855921 >>>> Linkedin :http://www.linkedin.com/in/mauriziocucchiara >>>> >>>> Maurizio Cucchiara >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 November 2011 16:50, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hey folks, >>>>> >>>>> I have contributed a little to the efford of Simone Tripodi to create >>>>> a maven skin called fluido. >>>>> It is based on the great bootstrap css framework. >>>>> >>>>> Here is an example: >>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ >>>>> >>>>> Simone has proposed to move this skin now to maven proper (currently >>>>> in sandbox) and all participants are working straight to a release. >>>>> >>>>> Now, if there is an interest (and I think so) I volunteer to migrate >>>>> the Struts website to this new skin, once it is available. >>>>> >>>>> Would be nice to hear some opinions and maybe some "wishes" if there >>>>> are any before I start to do the work. >>>>> >>>>> For reference, here is the Bootstrap website: >>>>> http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ >>>>> >>>>> I have found this repository which could be skinned: >>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site/ >>>>> >>>>> Here is some more >>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/src/site/ >>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/core/src/site/ >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure about these sites - how are they used? >>>>> It seems esp the second link has something to do with Confluence. >>>>> >>>>> Am I missing anything else? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> https://www.timeandbill.de >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
