Hello Martin (and others), I have made an update based on your comments (and mine): http://code.grobmeier.de/struts-draft-v2/
Looks better for you now? Cheers On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Martin, > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Martin Cooper <mfncoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Christian Grobmeier > >>> I have added a hero section. > >> A what? > > This is the first huge section, showing what the page is about. > Like here: http://incubator.apache.org/directmemory/ > >>> Unfortunately I needed to remove the h2, h3 etc to make this work >>> because of a doxia bug. It seems it is already fixed in trunk, so I >>> think we can leave it now and replace it later. (the bug replaces h2 >>> with <div class="secton"><h2>... - this kills everything) >> >> I'd say the missing h2, h3, et al, is a showstopper. > > OK, then we can't use fluido now, except we add anything in sequence > (like it is today). This is terrible to read imho and so the question > is if we need to wait for a new doxia release then. > >>> I think we should make the text somehow smaller if possible. It is >>> very much too read and probably we should just have a teaser on the >>> the various paragraphs. >> >> I disagree. The Recent Releases section needs to come back to the top, >> where it is prominent for the majority of existing users, who are >> returning for the latest update. The remainder of the page is designed >> for those new to Struts, and there needs to be enough meat right there >> on the home page to hold their interest and entice them to stay on the >> site, rather than just provide a bunch of links and hope they'll click >> on one. > > I didn't mean smaller in terms of font size, sorry for being unclear. > > Actually the "news" section is on top right and very prominent to me. > Struts has an "Announcements" page were everything is detail. This > page is pretty useless if we write nearly everything on the frontpage. > In addtion there are release notes. There are 3 different pages > containing similar information. I don't think this is good and should > be streamlined. > > In addition, the current "news" on the front page are from 2008 two > times and one from 2011. So... the 2008 news are not really helpful to > anybody. I would remove them or keep them on the annoucments page if > necessary. > > >> >>> In addtion, we should use some kind of "news format". Like: >>> >>> 10.12.2001 >>> Struts 2.2.3.1 released >>> This release contains a security fix. >>> See: Release Note >>> >>> And so on. I mean: date, short headline, short content (just one >>> sentence) and the link to the release notes. >> >> For releases, that's exactly what Recent Releases is for, and that's >> why it should be at the top. Other announcements are on the >> Announcements page, linked from the menu. > > As mentioned it is on top (right). > > Announcements page contains only the 2011 release. And "recent > releases" cotains 2008 releases. Not very recent. > >> >>> So - what do you think abou it? >> >> I see some significant issues with the sample home page: >> >> * The dark menu bar thing at the top wraps in a weird way, and starts >> to cover up the logos, which looks really bad. (And it's not obvious >> that it's a wrapping issue unless you have enough real estate to >> resize and avoid the wrap.) There are also weird garbage artifacts >> when you work with this menu bar. Given that it provides no additional >> functionality, is very ugly, and doesn't work well, I'd recommend >> scrapping it. > > This dark menu bar is called "topbar" in fludio terms. It is pretty > easy to disable it and I have no problems with doing that. Basically > it contains the same link as on the left side. I have left it in b/c > many people seem to like that nowadays. Anyway, I am with you and > remove it. > > Btw, the covering of the logo is b/c the topbar is fixed position. > This is what Gmail and those kind of apps do today, I think this is > the reason why it has been brought into bootstrap. Well, i remove it. > >> * There's a huge waste of space with just "Apache Struts" in a big >> font, one sentence, and two buttons. Given that this is right below >> both the ASF logo, at top left, and the Struts logo, at top right, >> this serves no function and just takes up space - and prime real >> estate, at that - and forces everyone to scroll to get to anything >> useful. > > This is the "hero unit". > > Actually I disagree. It gives you the chance to see at one glance what > it is about and leads you to the most important links: technic primer > and downloads. > I don't know what your monitor size is, but I don't have to scroll. > > Anyway this is a matter of taste, if others don't like it, I can > remove it of course. > > >> * The column width does not increase as I resize my browser window. >> Yet I'm forced to resize the window to get the menu to render >> properly. > > Can you explain whcih browser size you are using? And which menu does > not render - the topbar or the sidebar? > Probably this will explain why you say the "recents news" are not on > top, because they move down if the browser is to small. > >> * We need proper headings (as mentioned above) rather than the random >> first words in a section in a big bold font. Section titles are chosen >> for meaning. > > As there is nobody parsing this site I wonder why this is so important > for the moment when it looks the same. > Of course I would like to have proper h2 etc too, but then fluido is > not possible as explained above (or we use sequential paragraphs) > >> * The release information at the bottom is in a super-narrow column >> for no apparent reason, again forcing me to scroll unnecessarily. > > Just an idea - why not putting the latest "recent release" into the > hero unit? 2008 can be left out imho, but the the hero unit would have > more functionality too. > >> * The Next link, leading to the sequence running through our pages, is >> missing completely. > > The next link on the bottom was leading to the "releass" page. I have > put this link into the hero unit and renamed it to "Download" for > better visibility. > >> * Visited links are not coloured differently from unvisited ones. > > Thats a feature of bootstrap. I have already had this discussion on > the incubator ml. I don't like have the colors changed. But others > seem to like it. If you would like that, please name me a color which > you would like to see for visited links and I will use it. > >> Overall, it looks pretty and trendy, but actual usability has gone >> down the tubes and is pretty awful. I'd personally prefer to see us >> stick with what we have unless the usability can be brought back to at >> least what we have now. Usability is far more important than pretty or >> trendy. > > OK.... actually the current page is not very usable for me because: > > - way to much text on it > - search is somewhere hidden on the bottom > - no easy way to get to the downloads > - outdated news > - news do not differ in design from other text > - everything to "plain" for my eyes > - Announcments page does contain less information the "recent > releases" box on frontpage > - "Release notes" are not found easily (actually I am still searching > while typing) > - the "page flow" with the next links somewhere on the bottom is > broken when you reach the Kickstart FAQ. Or is this intended? > > Last but not least, it seems the Struts page do not conform the > branding requirements. > I see only: "Copyright © 2000-2011 The Apache Software Foundation. All > Rights Reserved." > But shouldn't it containt this too?: > "Apache Foo, Foo, Apache, the Apache feather logo, and the Apache Foo > project logo are trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation." > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html > > Cheers, > Christian > > >> >> -- >> Martin Cooper >> >> >>> Cheers >>> Christian >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Maurizio Cucchiara >>> <mcucchi...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> Just for the record looks like Simone has already moved out of the >>>> sandbox the plugin >>>> >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/skins/trunk/maven-fluido-skin/ >>>> >>>> Anyway I would like to see a kind of refresh on struts website, you >>>> can count on my help. >>>> >>>> Twitter :http://www.twitter.com/m_cucchiara >>>> G+ :https://plus.google.com/107903711540963855921 >>>> Linkedin :http://www.linkedin.com/in/mauriziocucchiara >>>> >>>> Maurizio Cucchiara >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 November 2011 17:47, Maurizio Cucchiara <mcucchi...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi Christian, >>>>> I have done some tests a couple of weeks ago, IIRC there was some >>>>> issue using the fluido plugin. >>>>> For what concern the website, consider that struts website root >>>>> resides, as you noticed before, belong the following path >>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site/ >>>>> >>>>> Here there is the S2 website (nothing more than a single page :) ) >>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/src/site/ >>>>> >>>>> And the third one, is used by the Confluence export plugin (I'm pretty >>>>> sure, though I could be wrong) >>>>> >>>>> With that saying, I published the fluido verson of struts website >>>>> http://people.apache.org/~mcucchiara/struts/www/ >>>>> Let's see the first impressions (for example I just realized that >>>>> fluido doesn't provide the links to S1, S2 on top bar). >>>>> >>>>> Twitter :http://www.twitter.com/m_cucchiara >>>>> G+ :https://plus.google.com/107903711540963855921 >>>>> Linkedin :http://www.linkedin.com/in/mauriziocucchiara >>>>> >>>>> Maurizio Cucchiara >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 November 2011 16:50, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hey folks, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have contributed a little to the efford of Simone Tripodi to create >>>>>> a maven skin called fluido. >>>>>> It is based on the great bootstrap css framework. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is an example: >>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Simone has proposed to move this skin now to maven proper (currently >>>>>> in sandbox) and all participants are working straight to a release. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, if there is an interest (and I think so) I volunteer to migrate >>>>>> the Struts website to this new skin, once it is available. >>>>>> >>>>>> Would be nice to hear some opinions and maybe some "wishes" if there >>>>>> are any before I start to do the work. >>>>>> >>>>>> For reference, here is the Bootstrap website: >>>>>> http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I have found this repository which could be skinned: >>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is some more >>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/src/site/ >>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/core/src/site/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure about these sites - how are they used? >>>>>> It seems esp the second link has something to do with Confluence. >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I missing anything else? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Christian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>> https://www.timeandbill.de >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de > https://www.timeandbill.de -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
