Happy new year! Update on the Gremlint IP clearance process: We filled out the CCLA yesterday and are just waiting for it to be signed by our CEO. We'll submit it together with the ICLA as soon as it's ready.
man. 7. des. 2020 kl. 13:18 skrev Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com>: > Thanks for all the updates - it sounds as though we are getting closer to > having to do more things on this side. Once the I/CCLAs are acknowledged by > Apache I'll go back and revisit the documentation on this process to see > what happens next. > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:05 AM Øyvind Sæbø <oyvind.s...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi again, I'm here with an update on the Gremlint IP clearance process:) > > > > Yesterday I added the ASF source file headers to all the gremlint source > > files (link to commit > > < > > > https://github.com/OyvindSabo/gremlint/commit/9010a706ceaa4102886294a860d5fbac152ca08b > > >) > > and all the gremlint.com source files (link to commit > > < > > > https://github.com/OyvindSabo/gremlint.com/commit/60150a52d1baed330e16d2b70a8ac84f0aa5d4b4 > > >) > > and updated both repos to use the Apache License Version 2.0. I hope I > did > > that correctly. > > I also filled out the ICLA and will submit it together with the CCLA once > > it's signed by the right people at Ardoq. I was hoping to see this done > by > > the end of the week, but seeing as it's only one workday left, I guess > > we'll just have to wait and see. > > > > fre. 27. nov. 2020 kl. 19:24 skrev Øyvind Sæbø <oyvind.s...@gmail.com>: > > > > > By > > >> the way, can gremlint still run completely in browser or does it need > > >> nodejs at this point? > > > > > > Yes, it's still possible to run it purely in the browser. This is still > > > how it's used on Gremlint.com. > > > > > > Would it help make any of your work easier if there were an actual > antlr > > >> grammar for Gremlin? > > > > > > I'm not sure. I don't have any experience with it, but I'll look into > it. > > > > > > .NET might not be hard to format but I sense translation will not be > easy > > >> given how easily Gremlin loses types > > >> > > > Good point. > > > > > > As for progress news, we managed to wrap up the internal Gremlint IP > > > transfer process this week, so I hope we can fill out the ICLA and CCLA > > > next week. I'll add the ASF licence headers to the files early next > week > > as > > > well. > > > > > > ons. 25. nov. 2020 kl. 12:57 skrev Stephen Mallette < > > spmalle...@gmail.com > > > >: > > > > > >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 3:49 PM Øyvind Sæbø <oyvind.s...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Yes, I think it makes sense to continue with the general discussion > in > > >> the > > >> > meantime:) It could also help make sure that I don't develop > Gremlint > > >> in a > > >> > direction which will impose unnecessary restrictions in the future. > > I've > > >> > included some of my thoughts to your questions below: > > >> > > > >> > 1. > > >> > Gremlint is currently an installable JavaScript package, so for all > > >> > JavaScript projects using npm it can already be installed and called > > as > > >> a > > >> > function. I imagine it would also be easy to set up a > > >> Gremlint-as-a-service > > >> > API with Node.js to work with non-JavaScript projects. > > >> > > > >> > > >> At the risk of greater complexity to documentation generation perhaps > a > > >> local nodejs service might work. A shame nashorn never quite took off > or > > >> else we could have perhaps embedded it for more direct usage with > > Gremlin > > >> Console. I wonder if we could actually get rid of Gremlin Console > usage > > >> though if there was a more convenient way to do > formatting/translation. > > By > > >> the way, can gremlint still run completely in browser or does it need > > >> nodejs at this point? > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2 & 4. > > >> > I think Gremlint as a translator could make sense. Currently it > > >> essentially > > >> > just translates Groovy-Gremlin to an (almost) language-agnostic > syntax > > >> > tree, adds formatting information based on a config object and then > > >> > recreates a Groovy Gremlin query. But it could just as well recreate > > the > > >> > query as a JavaScript or Python Gremlin query. I think it would be > > >> > relatively easy to make Gremlint translate from any Groovy-esque > > Gremlin > > >> > implementation to another Gremlin implementation by simply replacing > > the > > >> > function which is currently used to recreate the query from the > > >> formatted > > >> > syntax tree. > > >> > > > >> > > >> Would it help make any of your work easier if there were an actual > antlr > > >> grammar for Gremlin? > > >> > > >> > > >> > 3. > > >> > I've already tried to keep Gremlint a bit language agnostic by > leaving > > >> all > > >> > non-Gremlin code around and between queries unaltered. In most > cases, > > >> any > > >> > code Gremlint doesn't understand inside a query is just handled as > if > > it > > >> > was a single word, and left as is. I'm not too familiar with > > >> > language-specific differences between different > > Gremlin-implementations, > > >> > but it is my impression that it should already handle JavaScript > > Gremlin > > >> > quite well. For .NET I assume I would need to add support for more > > than > > >> > just single-quote strings (this would come in handy for all > > languages), > > >> and > > >> > for Python Gremlin it would need to handle backslashes between each > > new > > >> > line of the query. Gremlin for Clojure would probably be more > > >> challenging > > >> > (fun fact: The Gremlint parser is actually based on a Clojure > parser I > > >> > wrote earlier). > > >> > > > >> > > >> .NET might not be hard to format but I sense translation will not be > > easy > > >> given how easily Gremlin loses types > > >> > > >> > > >> > Food for thought: > > >> > One thing I've been a bit back and forth on is whether it would be > > >> > preferable if Gremlint is super-robust and accepts and formats any > > >> language > > >> > you pass it with minimal configuration, or if it should only accept > > one > > >> > Gremlin implementation "at once" and require the user to manually > > >> specify > > >> > the language of their input. > > >> > > > >> > > >> From the perspective of a user interface, I don't think it's necessary > > to > > >> have too much magic. Ifi t could simply detect a language and make a > > good > > >> guess at it and then allow users more fine grained control from there > > that > > >> would be pretty impressive, but if they had to wholly make the step of > > >> selecting the language themselves I don't think that's terrible. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > fre. 20. nov. 2020 kl. 14:53 skrev Stephen Mallette < > > >> spmalle...@gmail.com > > >> > >: > > >> > > > >> > > Thanks for another update. Nice to know you're still moving along > > with > > >> > > improvements there. Perhaps we could continue with general > > discussions > > >> > > about Gremlint while we wait for legal issues to settle? For > > instance, > > >> > one > > >> > > of the things on my mind is how to make gremlint functionality as > > >> > available > > >> > > as possible to the various use cases we say each day. Obviously, > it > > >> > > currently handles the most common one of providing a place to > paste > > >> some > > >> > > Gremlin in a UI and get back formatted Gremlin. What about other > > >> things: > > >> > > > > >> > > 1. there are many Gremlin "development environments (e.g. > gremlify, > > >> > Gremlin > > >> > > Console, notebooks, etc) - how can gremlint be available to them? > > >> > > 2. we are working on Gremlin translators in all languages - which > > >> might > > >> > > actually allow us to generate documentation using a single source > > for > > >> > > Gremlin with translation to all the others. But, that can only > work > > >> if we > > >> > > have something like Gremlint to format those translations. How > would > > >> > > gremlint fit in there? > > >> > > 3. gremlint (i think) is generally good at formatting the > > Groovy/Java > > >> > > syntax - what will it entail to make it so that it's capable of > > >> dealing > > >> > > with other languages like Python, .NET etc. > > >> > > 4. thinking more about 2, I wonder how gremlint fits with > > translators. > > >> > the > > >> > > two seem quite related to me, but i'm not sure what that means. it > > >> seems > > >> > > cool if you could take a bit of Gremlin Groovy, paste it into > > gremlint > > >> > then > > >> > > translate/lint to Gremlin Javascript. > > >> > > > > >> > > I'm just posing questions here for us to discuss a bit. Answers > are > > >> great > > >> > > but more questions would also be welcome if anyone has any. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:11 AM Øyvind Sæbø < > oyvind.s...@gmail.com> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hello everyone and happy November. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I requested another update on when the Gremlint paperwork > process > > >> would > > >> > > be > > >> > > > done yesterday. It seems like it has been pushed back once > again, > > >> the > > >> > new > > >> > > > estimate being two weeks from now. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I figured I should give some context on why this is taking > longer > > >> than > > >> > > > expected. After all, filling out the ICLA and CCLA shouldn't > take > > >> more > > >> > > than > > >> > > > a day. Since I developed Gremlint in my spare time, and we want > to > > >> > donate > > >> > > > it on behalf of Ardoq, where I work, we have an internal IP > > transfer > > >> > > > process as well, and this is what has been dragging out. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > In the meantime I've been trying to make the best of the > situation > > >> by > > >> > > > working my way through the remaining Gremlint issues on GitHub. > As > > >> part > > >> > > of > > >> > > > that I've rewritten Gremlint < > > >> https://github.com/OyvindSabo/gremlint> > > >> > to > > >> > > > be > > >> > > > a separate package which can be imported in the Gremlint.com > > >> website, > > >> > > which > > >> > > > now resides in a different repository > > >> > > > <https://github.com/OyvindSabo/gremlint.com>. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Let's hope I can report on more progress next time. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >
