Understood. Marko.
> On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:31 PM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]> wrote: > > Please allow some more time for a reply as I've been away for the New Years > Eve weekend. > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:50 PM Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hey Stephen, >> >> Any movement on what I presented below? Meaning, do you 1.) agree with >> inconsistent application of the “violated social norms” clause and if so >> 2.) do you plan to argue my point ‘in good faith’ (meaning, the following >> sentiment resonates with you: "every person has skeletons in their closet >> so why I are we attacking Marko after contributing his PhD work to Apache >> and then spending over a decade developing it only to kick him off the >> project for telling jokes on Twitter?”). >> >> If you don’t agree, then please tell me so I can move forward on my side. >> >> Thank you very much, >> Marko. >> >> >> >>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> As you all may know, I was recently removed from TinkerPop for the crime >> of “being a Nazi troll.” When arguing I’m not a Nazi, I was told I >> “violated social norms.” Assuming I violated social norms, I inquired as to >> where such social norms are specified as I never signed anything when >> providing TinkerPop to Apache that mentioned ’social norms'. Moreover, if >> the crime of violating social norms is in fact how Apache wishes to judge >> people for the sake of removal by committee, then I believe this statute >> should be applied fairly and equally. Thus, please review the following >> “social norm violations” made by people in Apache and on Apache TinkerPop. >> Given that social norms are not specified anywhere, I offer simply what I >> believe fall within this fuzzy category. >>> >>> 1. Roy Fielding stating I’m a Nazi troll. When asked for evidence of me >> being part of the Nazi party, none was presented. As far as I know, the >> Nazi party dissolved post WW2 and seems to exist as a word use by modern >> folk to remove people they dislike from their positions. The question: is >> libel a violation of social norms? >>> >>> 2. Sam Ruby in the past had threatened me with physical violence. If >> threat of violence is not breaking social norms then that seems like a >> break from social norms in and of itself. Thus, was Sam Ruby removed from >> his position in Apache? The question: is threat of violence a violation of >> social norms? >>> >>> 3. danielfb@ is the mysterious character that had access to our >> private@tinkerpop mailing list and said that a picture I made in >> photoshop of one of my chickens in WW2 regalia was “offensive” to him (I >> assume ‘him' given the name ‘daniel’). My response was initially to joke >> (as I do), but then continued with (I paraphrase) “let’s talk more as I >> think you will find me to be a jokester.” That man was never heard from >> again. The question: is allowing seemingly random people on our private >> mailing list in order to entrap me a violation of social norms? >>> >>> 4. Roy Fielding was unhappy with the fact that no one on the TinkerPop >> PMC cared about danielfb@’s allegation of me being a racist. In fact, >> Jorge said (I paraphrase) "that’s not racism, he’s just being silly.” He >> went on to note organizations that Apache could get behind that help fight >> racism — unfortunately, that fell on deaf ears. Instead, Roy Fielding went >> ahead and ignored the PMC's brush off saying (I paraphrase) “I know you are >> friends and its hard to punish people you’ve worked with.” This seemed odd >> to me because the email prior I had said “no one ever stands up for me >> because most people never understand the point I’m trying to make with my >> craft.” (I consider much of the work I do ‘art’). Thus, Roy Fielding pushed >> an agenda placing thoughts/emotions in colleagues that did not exist. The >> question: is baiting the group so they do his 'dirty work' not a violation >> of social norms? >>> >>> 5. Stephen Mallette and I have worked together for over a decade. It >> came as a shock to me that he said nothing in favor of my person when I was >> deemed a “racist” and a “nazi.” The question: is not standing up for a >> friend who has been there for you for many years not a violation of social >> norms? >>> >>> 6. Stephen Mallette knows what I was “charged with” was just some social >> ploy using the rhetoric of the times to restructure power by removing those >> individuals that don’t tow some party line which I was never made aware of. >> While I assert these are whimsical and without merit, you know what real >> charges you have against yourself, Stephen, and I won’t get into those, but >> I believe you would feel much better (less social stressed) as a person if >> you were to say: “letting organizations condemn people so they can steal >> prestige or money from them is not right and I take my stand against it.” >> As such, the question: when a person living in a glass house throws stones, >> is that not a violation of social norms? >>> >>> 7. Stephen Mallette knows very well the quality of Josh Shinavier’s >> contributions and the hollowness of his promises as over the years we have >> joked many times about it. So why would he be put on the PMC right after I >> was removed as you and I both know he is a “do-nothing” (says but never >> does). Was this a way for you to slow down the project as for many years >> you have been pushing off TinkerPop4 for reasons I’m unsure of (aging? >> corporate force?). Regardless, the question: is using an unsuspecting >> (arguably socially inept) person as a pawn in a social game to secure an >> outcome for yourself not a violation of a social norm? >>> >>> If the 7 points I made above are all considered legitimate behaviors >> that do not violate Apache’s unspecified “social norm” statute, then I >> believe this statute should be revised given the composition of this >> organization — in particular, lifelong programmers typically lack the >> sophisticated circuitry necessary to comprehend and thrive in socially >> nuanced environments. If the argument is that not having such mental >> circuitry is their fault and thus, deserve the wrath wrought by violating >> social norms, then may you hear my retort: them not having such abilities >> may be because they are too busy coding (creating the environment for those >> mingling in social norms to have jobs) to be concerned with the ‘flavor of >> the day’ words/jokes/etc. >>> >>> @Stephen, as PMC Chair, I ask that you consider my argument and, in good >> faith, argue it to the board given that Roy Fielding never responded to any >> of my emails — simply decreed and went about his life. Worse, had me >> removed from mailing lists so I couldn’t make my argument. If there is >> other information you need from me, please don’t hesitate to ask. If more >> “social violation norm” examples in Apache are necessary, I can provide >> them. Many individuals in our society have been attacked in recent times >> and I feel it is a great social injustice and to allow it to continue would >> be detrimental to the creative spirit that allows great open source >> software to flourish. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Marko A. Rodriguez >>> >>> >> >>
