Hi Marko, I know this thread is a week old at this point. I just wanted to let you know it's not being ignored. Thank you for your patience.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Understood. > > Marko. > > > On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:31 PM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Please allow some more time for a reply as I've been away for the New > Years > > Eve weekend. > > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:50 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Hey Stephen, > >> > >> Any movement on what I presented below? Meaning, do you 1.) agree with > >> inconsistent application of the “violated social norms” clause and if so > >> 2.) do you plan to argue my point ‘in good faith’ (meaning, the > following > >> sentiment resonates with you: "every person has skeletons in their > closet > >> so why I are we attacking Marko after contributing his PhD work to > Apache > >> and then spending over a decade developing it only to kick him off the > >> project for telling jokes on Twitter?”). > >> > >> If you don’t agree, then please tell me so I can move forward on my > side. > >> > >> Thank you very much, > >> Marko. > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello everyone, > >>> > >>> As you all may know, I was recently removed from TinkerPop for the > crime > >> of “being a Nazi troll.” When arguing I’m not a Nazi, I was told I > >> “violated social norms.” Assuming I violated social norms, I inquired > as to > >> where such social norms are specified as I never signed anything when > >> providing TinkerPop to Apache that mentioned ’social norms'. Moreover, > if > >> the crime of violating social norms is in fact how Apache wishes to > judge > >> people for the sake of removal by committee, then I believe this statute > >> should be applied fairly and equally. Thus, please review the following > >> “social norm violations” made by people in Apache and on Apache > TinkerPop. > >> Given that social norms are not specified anywhere, I offer simply what > I > >> believe fall within this fuzzy category. > >>> > >>> 1. Roy Fielding stating I’m a Nazi troll. When asked for evidence of me > >> being part of the Nazi party, none was presented. As far as I know, the > >> Nazi party dissolved post WW2 and seems to exist as a word use by modern > >> folk to remove people they dislike from their positions. The question: > is > >> libel a violation of social norms? > >>> > >>> 2. Sam Ruby in the past had threatened me with physical violence. If > >> threat of violence is not breaking social norms then that seems like a > >> break from social norms in and of itself. Thus, was Sam Ruby removed > from > >> his position in Apache? The question: is threat of violence a violation > of > >> social norms? > >>> > >>> 3. danielfb@ is the mysterious character that had access to our > >> private@tinkerpop mailing list and said that a picture I made in > >> photoshop of one of my chickens in WW2 regalia was “offensive” to him (I > >> assume ‘him' given the name ‘daniel’). My response was initially to joke > >> (as I do), but then continued with (I paraphrase) “let’s talk more as I > >> think you will find me to be a jokester.” That man was never heard from > >> again. The question: is allowing seemingly random people on our private > >> mailing list in order to entrap me a violation of social norms? > >>> > >>> 4. Roy Fielding was unhappy with the fact that no one on the TinkerPop > >> PMC cared about danielfb@’s allegation of me being a racist. In fact, > >> Jorge said (I paraphrase) "that’s not racism, he’s just being silly.” He > >> went on to note organizations that Apache could get behind that help > fight > >> racism — unfortunately, that fell on deaf ears. Instead, Roy Fielding > went > >> ahead and ignored the PMC's brush off saying (I paraphrase) “I know you > are > >> friends and its hard to punish people you’ve worked with.” This seemed > odd > >> to me because the email prior I had said “no one ever stands up for me > >> because most people never understand the point I’m trying to make with > my > >> craft.” (I consider much of the work I do ‘art’). Thus, Roy Fielding > pushed > >> an agenda placing thoughts/emotions in colleagues that did not exist. > The > >> question: is baiting the group so they do his 'dirty work' not a > violation > >> of social norms? > >>> > >>> 5. Stephen Mallette and I have worked together for over a decade. It > >> came as a shock to me that he said nothing in favor of my person when I > was > >> deemed a “racist” and a “nazi.” The question: is not standing up for a > >> friend who has been there for you for many years not a violation of > social > >> norms? > >>> > >>> 6. Stephen Mallette knows what I was “charged with” was just some > social > >> ploy using the rhetoric of the times to restructure power by removing > those > >> individuals that don’t tow some party line which I was never made aware > of. > >> While I assert these are whimsical and without merit, you know what real > >> charges you have against yourself, Stephen, and I won’t get into those, > but > >> I believe you would feel much better (less social stressed) as a person > if > >> you were to say: “letting organizations condemn people so they can steal > >> prestige or money from them is not right and I take my stand against > it.” > >> As such, the question: when a person living in a glass house throws > stones, > >> is that not a violation of social norms? > >>> > >>> 7. Stephen Mallette knows very well the quality of Josh Shinavier’s > >> contributions and the hollowness of his promises as over the years we > have > >> joked many times about it. So why would he be put on the PMC right > after I > >> was removed as you and I both know he is a “do-nothing” (says but never > >> does). Was this a way for you to slow down the project as for many years > >> you have been pushing off TinkerPop4 for reasons I’m unsure of (aging? > >> corporate force?). Regardless, the question: is using an unsuspecting > >> (arguably socially inept) person as a pawn in a social game to secure an > >> outcome for yourself not a violation of a social norm? > >>> > >>> If the 7 points I made above are all considered legitimate behaviors > >> that do not violate Apache’s unspecified “social norm” statute, then I > >> believe this statute should be revised given the composition of this > >> organization — in particular, lifelong programmers typically lack the > >> sophisticated circuitry necessary to comprehend and thrive in socially > >> nuanced environments. If the argument is that not having such mental > >> circuitry is their fault and thus, deserve the wrath wrought by > violating > >> social norms, then may you hear my retort: them not having such > abilities > >> may be because they are too busy coding (creating the environment for > those > >> mingling in social norms to have jobs) to be concerned with the ‘flavor > of > >> the day’ words/jokes/etc. > >>> > >>> @Stephen, as PMC Chair, I ask that you consider my argument and, in > good > >> faith, argue it to the board given that Roy Fielding never responded to > any > >> of my emails — simply decreed and went about his life. Worse, had me > >> removed from mailing lists so I couldn’t make my argument. If there is > >> other information you need from me, please don’t hesitate to ask. If > more > >> “social violation norm” examples in Apache are necessary, I can provide > >> them. Many individuals in our society have been attacked in recent times > >> and I feel it is a great social injustice and to allow it to continue > would > >> be detrimental to the creative spirit that allows great open source > >> software to flourish. > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> Marko A. Rodriguez > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >
