I will reach out to you off list to arrange a time. On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 2:44 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Open like source. > > * Nothing racist is implied or intended by that turn of phrase (recursive > Kleene closure on that). > > Marko. > > > On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Marko, would you be open to a one-on-one conversation with me over video > > chat? > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:05 AM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks for the update. I opened up my email this morning to ping: > >> > >> “Any updates? I can’t believe open source software has come to > >> this. I look back and think, once you took your recent corporate > position > >> and then were put on the Apache Board, it turned a once great software > >> development team, never mired in politics, into secret backdoor > discussions > >> of what I can only presume to be of the nature “What does he know? More > >> than what he mentioned? **k that guy! We’re Apache — we're not going to > be > >> held hostage by some Nazi racist!” Stephen, you would be surprised by > who > >> has connected with me after hearing of Apache’s move to remove me from > my > >> project. The people you have allied yourself with (for whatever reason) > are > >> not of the caliber of person that I know you to be. I’ve known you for > 15 > >> years now, working closely in harmony over numerous companies, and while > >> I’m aware of your life stresses and what that can do to a man, I’m > certain > >> you are not of their breed. Don’t sully your soul by remaining entangled > >> with an organization that was once the life blood of open source > software > >> and now, given all I’ve seen with my situation with them and have come > to > >> learn from other, also its death. Good luck to you, old friend — I will > >> continue to remain in my holding pattern.” > >> > >> Take care, > >> Marko. > >> > >> > >>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 4:28 AM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Marko, I know this thread is a week old at this point. I just wanted > >> to > >>> let you know it's not being ignored. Thank you for your patience. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Understood. > >>>> > >>>> Marko. > >>>> > >>>>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:31 PM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Please allow some more time for a reply as I've been away for the New > >>>> Years > >>>>> Eve weekend. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:50 PM Marko Rodriguez < > okramma...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hey Stephen, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Any movement on what I presented below? Meaning, do you 1.) agree > with > >>>>>> inconsistent application of the “violated social norms” clause and > if > >> so > >>>>>> 2.) do you plan to argue my point ‘in good faith’ (meaning, the > >>>> following > >>>>>> sentiment resonates with you: "every person has skeletons in their > >>>> closet > >>>>>> so why I are we attacking Marko after contributing his PhD work to > >>>> Apache > >>>>>> and then spending over a decade developing it only to kick him off > the > >>>>>> project for telling jokes on Twitter?”). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you don’t agree, then please tell me so I can move forward on my > >>>> side. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you very much, > >>>>>> Marko. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com > > > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello everyone, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As you all may know, I was recently removed from TinkerPop for the > >>>> crime > >>>>>> of “being a Nazi troll.” When arguing I’m not a Nazi, I was told I > >>>>>> “violated social norms.” Assuming I violated social norms, I > inquired > >>>> as to > >>>>>> where such social norms are specified as I never signed anything > when > >>>>>> providing TinkerPop to Apache that mentioned ’social norms'. > Moreover, > >>>> if > >>>>>> the crime of violating social norms is in fact how Apache wishes to > >>>> judge > >>>>>> people for the sake of removal by committee, then I believe this > >> statute > >>>>>> should be applied fairly and equally. Thus, please review the > >> following > >>>>>> “social norm violations” made by people in Apache and on Apache > >>>> TinkerPop. > >>>>>> Given that social norms are not specified anywhere, I offer simply > >> what > >>>> I > >>>>>> believe fall within this fuzzy category. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. Roy Fielding stating I’m a Nazi troll. When asked for evidence > of > >> me > >>>>>> being part of the Nazi party, none was presented. As far as I know, > >> the > >>>>>> Nazi party dissolved post WW2 and seems to exist as a word use by > >> modern > >>>>>> folk to remove people they dislike from their positions. The > question: > >>>> is > >>>>>> libel a violation of social norms? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Sam Ruby in the past had threatened me with physical violence. > If > >>>>>> threat of violence is not breaking social norms then that seems > like a > >>>>>> break from social norms in and of itself. Thus, was Sam Ruby removed > >>>> from > >>>>>> his position in Apache? The question: is threat of violence a > >> violation > >>>> of > >>>>>> social norms? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. danielfb@ is the mysterious character that had access to our > >>>>>> private@tinkerpop mailing list and said that a picture I made in > >>>>>> photoshop of one of my chickens in WW2 regalia was “offensive” to > him > >> (I > >>>>>> assume ‘him' given the name ‘daniel’). My response was initially to > >> joke > >>>>>> (as I do), but then continued with (I paraphrase) “let’s talk more > as > >> I > >>>>>> think you will find me to be a jokester.” That man was never heard > >> from > >>>>>> again. The question: is allowing seemingly random people on our > >> private > >>>>>> mailing list in order to entrap me a violation of social norms? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Roy Fielding was unhappy with the fact that no one on the > >> TinkerPop > >>>>>> PMC cared about danielfb@’s allegation of me being a racist. In > fact, > >>>>>> Jorge said (I paraphrase) "that’s not racism, he’s just being > silly.” > >> He > >>>>>> went on to note organizations that Apache could get behind that help > >>>> fight > >>>>>> racism — unfortunately, that fell on deaf ears. Instead, Roy > Fielding > >>>> went > >>>>>> ahead and ignored the PMC's brush off saying (I paraphrase) “I know > >> you > >>>> are > >>>>>> friends and its hard to punish people you’ve worked with.” This > seemed > >>>> odd > >>>>>> to me because the email prior I had said “no one ever stands up for > me > >>>>>> because most people never understand the point I’m trying to make > with > >>>> my > >>>>>> craft.” (I consider much of the work I do ‘art’). Thus, Roy Fielding > >>>> pushed > >>>>>> an agenda placing thoughts/emotions in colleagues that did not > exist. > >>>> The > >>>>>> question: is baiting the group so they do his 'dirty work' not a > >>>> violation > >>>>>> of social norms? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Stephen Mallette and I have worked together for over a decade. > It > >>>>>> came as a shock to me that he said nothing in favor of my person > when > >> I > >>>> was > >>>>>> deemed a “racist” and a “nazi.” The question: is not standing up > for a > >>>>>> friend who has been there for you for many years not a violation of > >>>> social > >>>>>> norms? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 6. Stephen Mallette knows what I was “charged with” was just some > >>>> social > >>>>>> ploy using the rhetoric of the times to restructure power by > removing > >>>> those > >>>>>> individuals that don’t tow some party line which I was never made > >> aware > >>>> of. > >>>>>> While I assert these are whimsical and without merit, you know what > >> real > >>>>>> charges you have against yourself, Stephen, and I won’t get into > >> those, > >>>> but > >>>>>> I believe you would feel much better (less social stressed) as a > >> person > >>>> if > >>>>>> you were to say: “letting organizations condemn people so they can > >> steal > >>>>>> prestige or money from them is not right and I take my stand against > >>>> it.” > >>>>>> As such, the question: when a person living in a glass house throws > >>>> stones, > >>>>>> is that not a violation of social norms? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 7. Stephen Mallette knows very well the quality of Josh Shinavier’s > >>>>>> contributions and the hollowness of his promises as over the years > we > >>>> have > >>>>>> joked many times about it. So why would he be put on the PMC right > >>>> after I > >>>>>> was removed as you and I both know he is a “do-nothing” (says but > >> never > >>>>>> does). Was this a way for you to slow down the project as for many > >> years > >>>>>> you have been pushing off TinkerPop4 for reasons I’m unsure of > (aging? > >>>>>> corporate force?). Regardless, the question: is using an > unsuspecting > >>>>>> (arguably socially inept) person as a pawn in a social game to > secure > >> an > >>>>>> outcome for yourself not a violation of a social norm? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If the 7 points I made above are all considered legitimate > behaviors > >>>>>> that do not violate Apache’s unspecified “social norm” statute, > then I > >>>>>> believe this statute should be revised given the composition of this > >>>>>> organization — in particular, lifelong programmers typically lack > the > >>>>>> sophisticated circuitry necessary to comprehend and thrive in > socially > >>>>>> nuanced environments. If the argument is that not having such mental > >>>>>> circuitry is their fault and thus, deserve the wrath wrought by > >>>> violating > >>>>>> social norms, then may you hear my retort: them not having such > >>>> abilities > >>>>>> may be because they are too busy coding (creating the environment > for > >>>> those > >>>>>> mingling in social norms to have jobs) to be concerned with the > >> ‘flavor > >>>> of > >>>>>> the day’ words/jokes/etc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> @Stephen, as PMC Chair, I ask that you consider my argument and, in > >>>> good > >>>>>> faith, argue it to the board given that Roy Fielding never responded > >> to > >>>> any > >>>>>> of my emails — simply decreed and went about his life. Worse, had me > >>>>>> removed from mailing lists so I couldn’t make my argument. If there > is > >>>>>> other information you need from me, please don’t hesitate to ask. If > >>>> more > >>>>>> “social violation norm” examples in Apache are necessary, I can > >> provide > >>>>>> them. Many individuals in our society have been attacked in recent > >> times > >>>>>> and I feel it is a great social injustice and to allow it to > continue > >>>> would > >>>>>> be detrimental to the creative spirit that allows great open source > >>>>>> software to flourish. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thank you, > >>>>>>> Marko A. Rodriguez > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >
