Thanks for the update. I opened up my email this morning to ping:
“Any updates? I can’t believe open source software has come to this. I
look back and think, once you took your recent corporate position and then were
put on the Apache Board, it turned a once great software development team,
never mired in politics, into secret backdoor discussions of what I can only
presume to be of the nature “What does he know? More than what he mentioned?
**k that guy! We’re Apache — we're not going to be held hostage by some Nazi
racist!” Stephen, you would be surprised by who has connected with me after
hearing of Apache’s move to remove me from my project. The people you have
allied yourself with (for whatever reason) are not of the caliber of person
that I know you to be. I’ve known you for 15 years now, working closely in
harmony over numerous companies, and while I’m aware of your life stresses and
what that can do to a man, I’m certain you are not of their breed. Don’t sully
your soul by remaining entangled with an organization that was once the life
blood of open source software and now, given all I’ve seen with my situation
with them and have come to learn from other, also its death. Good luck to you,
old friend — I will continue to remain in my holding pattern.”
Take care,
Marko.
> On Jan 7, 2022, at 4:28 AM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Marko, I know this thread is a week old at this point. I just wanted to
> let you know it's not being ignored. Thank you for your patience.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Understood.
>>
>> Marko.
>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:31 PM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please allow some more time for a reply as I've been away for the New
>> Years
>>> Eve weekend.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:50 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Stephen,
>>>>
>>>> Any movement on what I presented below? Meaning, do you 1.) agree with
>>>> inconsistent application of the “violated social norms” clause and if so
>>>> 2.) do you plan to argue my point ‘in good faith’ (meaning, the
>> following
>>>> sentiment resonates with you: "every person has skeletons in their
>> closet
>>>> so why I are we attacking Marko after contributing his PhD work to
>> Apache
>>>> and then spending over a decade developing it only to kick him off the
>>>> project for telling jokes on Twitter?”).
>>>>
>>>> If you don’t agree, then please tell me so I can move forward on my
>> side.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much,
>>>> Marko.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> As you all may know, I was recently removed from TinkerPop for the
>> crime
>>>> of “being a Nazi troll.” When arguing I’m not a Nazi, I was told I
>>>> “violated social norms.” Assuming I violated social norms, I inquired
>> as to
>>>> where such social norms are specified as I never signed anything when
>>>> providing TinkerPop to Apache that mentioned ’social norms'. Moreover,
>> if
>>>> the crime of violating social norms is in fact how Apache wishes to
>> judge
>>>> people for the sake of removal by committee, then I believe this statute
>>>> should be applied fairly and equally. Thus, please review the following
>>>> “social norm violations” made by people in Apache and on Apache
>> TinkerPop.
>>>> Given that social norms are not specified anywhere, I offer simply what
>> I
>>>> believe fall within this fuzzy category.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Roy Fielding stating I’m a Nazi troll. When asked for evidence of me
>>>> being part of the Nazi party, none was presented. As far as I know, the
>>>> Nazi party dissolved post WW2 and seems to exist as a word use by modern
>>>> folk to remove people they dislike from their positions. The question:
>> is
>>>> libel a violation of social norms?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Sam Ruby in the past had threatened me with physical violence. If
>>>> threat of violence is not breaking social norms then that seems like a
>>>> break from social norms in and of itself. Thus, was Sam Ruby removed
>> from
>>>> his position in Apache? The question: is threat of violence a violation
>> of
>>>> social norms?
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. danielfb@ is the mysterious character that had access to our
>>>> private@tinkerpop mailing list and said that a picture I made in
>>>> photoshop of one of my chickens in WW2 regalia was “offensive” to him (I
>>>> assume ‘him' given the name ‘daniel’). My response was initially to joke
>>>> (as I do), but then continued with (I paraphrase) “let’s talk more as I
>>>> think you will find me to be a jokester.” That man was never heard from
>>>> again. The question: is allowing seemingly random people on our private
>>>> mailing list in order to entrap me a violation of social norms?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Roy Fielding was unhappy with the fact that no one on the TinkerPop
>>>> PMC cared about danielfb@’s allegation of me being a racist. In fact,
>>>> Jorge said (I paraphrase) "that’s not racism, he’s just being silly.” He
>>>> went on to note organizations that Apache could get behind that help
>> fight
>>>> racism — unfortunately, that fell on deaf ears. Instead, Roy Fielding
>> went
>>>> ahead and ignored the PMC's brush off saying (I paraphrase) “I know you
>> are
>>>> friends and its hard to punish people you’ve worked with.” This seemed
>> odd
>>>> to me because the email prior I had said “no one ever stands up for me
>>>> because most people never understand the point I’m trying to make with
>> my
>>>> craft.” (I consider much of the work I do ‘art’). Thus, Roy Fielding
>> pushed
>>>> an agenda placing thoughts/emotions in colleagues that did not exist.
>> The
>>>> question: is baiting the group so they do his 'dirty work' not a
>> violation
>>>> of social norms?
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Stephen Mallette and I have worked together for over a decade. It
>>>> came as a shock to me that he said nothing in favor of my person when I
>> was
>>>> deemed a “racist” and a “nazi.” The question: is not standing up for a
>>>> friend who has been there for you for many years not a violation of
>> social
>>>> norms?
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Stephen Mallette knows what I was “charged with” was just some
>> social
>>>> ploy using the rhetoric of the times to restructure power by removing
>> those
>>>> individuals that don’t tow some party line which I was never made aware
>> of.
>>>> While I assert these are whimsical and without merit, you know what real
>>>> charges you have against yourself, Stephen, and I won’t get into those,
>> but
>>>> I believe you would feel much better (less social stressed) as a person
>> if
>>>> you were to say: “letting organizations condemn people so they can steal
>>>> prestige or money from them is not right and I take my stand against
>> it.”
>>>> As such, the question: when a person living in a glass house throws
>> stones,
>>>> is that not a violation of social norms?
>>>>>
>>>>> 7. Stephen Mallette knows very well the quality of Josh Shinavier’s
>>>> contributions and the hollowness of his promises as over the years we
>> have
>>>> joked many times about it. So why would he be put on the PMC right
>> after I
>>>> was removed as you and I both know he is a “do-nothing” (says but never
>>>> does). Was this a way for you to slow down the project as for many years
>>>> you have been pushing off TinkerPop4 for reasons I’m unsure of (aging?
>>>> corporate force?). Regardless, the question: is using an unsuspecting
>>>> (arguably socially inept) person as a pawn in a social game to secure an
>>>> outcome for yourself not a violation of a social norm?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the 7 points I made above are all considered legitimate behaviors
>>>> that do not violate Apache’s unspecified “social norm” statute, then I
>>>> believe this statute should be revised given the composition of this
>>>> organization — in particular, lifelong programmers typically lack the
>>>> sophisticated circuitry necessary to comprehend and thrive in socially
>>>> nuanced environments. If the argument is that not having such mental
>>>> circuitry is their fault and thus, deserve the wrath wrought by
>> violating
>>>> social norms, then may you hear my retort: them not having such
>> abilities
>>>> may be because they are too busy coding (creating the environment for
>> those
>>>> mingling in social norms to have jobs) to be concerned with the ‘flavor
>> of
>>>> the day’ words/jokes/etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Stephen, as PMC Chair, I ask that you consider my argument and, in
>> good
>>>> faith, argue it to the board given that Roy Fielding never responded to
>> any
>>>> of my emails — simply decreed and went about his life. Worse, had me
>>>> removed from mailing lists so I couldn’t make my argument. If there is
>>>> other information you need from me, please don’t hesitate to ask. If
>> more
>>>> “social violation norm” examples in Apache are necessary, I can provide
>>>> them. Many individuals in our society have been attacked in recent times
>>>> and I feel it is a great social injustice and to allow it to continue
>> would
>>>> be detrimental to the creative spirit that allows great open source
>>>> software to flourish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Marko A. Rodriguez
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
