On Fri, 30 Mar 2018, 06:06 Romain Manni-Bucau, <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le 30 mars 2018 04:30, "David Blevins" <david.blev...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:57 PM, David Blevins <david.blev...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > >> > >> Le 29 mars 2018 20:49, "David Blevins" <david.blev...@gmail.com> a > écrit > : > >> > >> > >>> On Mar 28, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com > > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Mar 28, 2018, at 6:29 PM, David Blevins <david.blev...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>>> Is your -1 on the basis that the code must be moved to Geronimo? > >>> > >>> That + the fact tomee is not and shouldnt become a put it all project > just > >>> become of scm perms IMO but stay an integration project to keep sense > and > >>> not mess up its own image and mess up the quality of our reusable libs. > >> > >>> Do you see this as a one-time situation or do you intend to vote the > same > >>> way on any future MicroProfile implementation work in TomEE? > >>> > >>> For example, should work be started to implement MicroProfile > OpenTracing > >>> in TomEE, would that PR be -1 on the basis the implementation should be > in > >>> Geronimo? > >> > >> Being said it will be in G anyway since that is half of G definition > since > >> some months now (since server has been dropped), I ll do my best to keep > it > >> consistent in our small ecosystem and do the same to have strong > reusable > >> libs since there is no technical blockers @MP to have it and a strong > >> integration solution (tomee) and not a mess with an in between state. > > > > I'm reading that as a yes that you would -1 future MP implementation work > in TomEE on the basis it should live in Geronimo, but you hope it doesn't > come to that and will do your best to create good implementations in > Geronimo so it isn't necessary. > > > > If I misunderstood, please clarify. > > > On Mar 29, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Globally that is it. You explained a lot why geronimo failed and not sure > > why tomee is kind of taking the same path - well actually cause of "perms > > lack" fear from what I read. This is not a safe reason (+not that > relevant > > @asf thanks to the meritocracy) and Id prefer to keep "us" being unite as > > we have been 7 years ago instead of just going on different paths cause > of > > a fears. > > I think we should openly discuss your perspective and how it might be > perceived by the project. There are 11 +1 votes, 5 of them binding. It > does appear that overall the project would like to move forward with the > code. You -1 the code on the basis that it should go to Geronimo instead > with the clear statement you will continue to -1 so on future MicroProfile > code. Can you see how this creates a situation where 11 people feel they > have no ability to contribute to the project now or in the future? Do you > feel this is the spirit of the Apache Way and represents community over > code? > > > More than never but I just dont ignore other projects. I understand most of > voting people are not involved in G and therefore I can see where they come > from (and no Jon, this was not directed to you in particular). > > The main difference is Im thinking of communities and not community. > > You are also plain wrong saying there is no way to contribute, there are > plenty as on any asf projects and for most people it will be the exact > same. > Is that what was said? > Project is created @G, if T duplicates it what does happen? We get an half > baked flavor on one side and another one on the other? Do you think it is > the right thing for asf David? Do you want to split communities? Do you > want to make of TomEE a put it all project which means getting rid of TomEE > as a thing? > > > Im really fed up to be always felt as the bad guy but I also know it is > wrong and will fail. Short terms it will fake some activity on the project > (is it the goal?) Which can be good, long terms it will kill all the good > of TomEE AND our libraries as mentionned earlier. > > If you want to pass it in force you can but please remive me from the pmc > before. > I very much would not want that. Jon > > > > -David >
