2018-03-30 7:24 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Gallimore <jonathan.gallim...@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018, 06:06 Romain Manni-Bucau, <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Le 30 mars 2018 04:30, "David Blevins" <david.blev...@gmail.com> a > écrit : > > > > > > > On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:57 PM, David Blevins <david.blev...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > rmannibu...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Le 29 mars 2018 20:49, "David Blevins" <david.blev...@gmail.com> a > > écrit > > : > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Mar 28, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > rmannibu...@gmail.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> On Mar 28, 2018, at 6:29 PM, David Blevins <david.blev...@gmail.com > > > > >> wrote: > > >>>> Is your -1 on the basis that the code must be moved to Geronimo? > > >>> > > >>> That + the fact tomee is not and shouldnt become a put it all project > > just > > >>> become of scm perms IMO but stay an integration project to keep sense > > and > > >>> not mess up its own image and mess up the quality of our reusable > libs. > > >> > > >>> Do you see this as a one-time situation or do you intend to vote the > > same > > >>> way on any future MicroProfile implementation work in TomEE? > > >>> > > >>> For example, should work be started to implement MicroProfile > > OpenTracing > > >>> in TomEE, would that PR be -1 on the basis the implementation should > be > > in > > >>> Geronimo? > > >> > > >> Being said it will be in G anyway since that is half of G definition > > since > > >> some months now (since server has been dropped), I ll do my best to > keep > > it > > >> consistent in our small ecosystem and do the same to have strong > > reusable > > >> libs since there is no technical blockers @MP to have it and a strong > > >> integration solution (tomee) and not a mess with an in between state. > > > > > > I'm reading that as a yes that you would -1 future MP implementation > work > > in TomEE on the basis it should live in Geronimo, but you hope it doesn't > > come to that and will do your best to create good implementations in > > Geronimo so it isn't necessary. > > > > > > If I misunderstood, please clarify. > > > > > On Mar 29, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Globally that is it. You explained a lot why geronimo failed and not > sure > > > why tomee is kind of taking the same path - well actually cause of > "perms > > > lack" fear from what I read. This is not a safe reason (+not that > > relevant > > > @asf thanks to the meritocracy) and Id prefer to keep "us" being unite > as > > > we have been 7 years ago instead of just going on different paths cause > > of > > > a fears. > > > > I think we should openly discuss your perspective and how it might be > > perceived by the project. There are 11 +1 votes, 5 of them binding. It > > does appear that overall the project would like to move forward with the > > code. You -1 the code on the basis that it should go to Geronimo instead > > with the clear statement you will continue to -1 so on future > MicroProfile > > code. Can you see how this creates a situation where 11 people feel they > > have no ability to contribute to the project now or in the future? Do > you > > feel this is the spirit of the Apache Way and represents community over > > code? > > > > > > More than never but I just dont ignore other projects. I understand most > of > > voting people are not involved in G and therefore I can see where they > come > > from (and no Jon, this was not directed to you in particular). > > > > The main difference is Im thinking of communities and not community. > > > > You are also plain wrong saying there is no way to contribute, there are > > plenty as on any asf projects and for most people it will be the exact > > same. > > > > Is that what was said? > Was my understanding of "people feel they have no ability to contribute to the project now or in the future" > > > > Project is created @G, if T duplicates it what does happen? We get an > half > > baked flavor on one side and another one on the other? Do you think it is > > the right thing for asf David? Do you want to split communities? Do you > > want to make of TomEE a put it all project which means getting rid of > TomEE > > as a thing? > > > > > > Im really fed up to be always felt as the bad guy but I also know it is > > wrong and will fail. Short terms it will fake some activity on the > project > > (is it the goal?) Which can be good, long terms it will kill all the good > > of TomEE AND our libraries as mentionned earlier. > > > > If you want to pass it in force you can but please remove me from the pmc > > before. > > > > I very much would not want that. > Me neither (both parts of the sentence) but can be needed seeing current state and I don't think I'll accept anytime soon the fact that a community ignores (to not say rejects) another one which is kind of what happens here. > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > -David > > >
