Thanks for the insights, Tom. If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in next couple days.
- Henry On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > > > Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind went to > > "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch. > > > > Super Mea culpa from my side. > > No worries! > > > > > Yes, I know about Clutch =P > > I thought you would do :) > > > > > There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation, which is me. > > And it is reflected in the reports. > > That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has > demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to graduate. > > Cheers, > Tom > > > Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect it. > > > > - Henry > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Henry, > >> > >> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of incubator > >> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill. > >> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html > >> > >> For example column K is for the number of committers added during > >> incubation, which is what prompted my original question. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Tom > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > HI Tom, > >> > > >> > I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch? > >> > > >> > As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but bit missing > on > >> the > >> > stickiness to > >> > > >> > I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I think graduation > is > >> > just another stepping stone for project to grow. > >> > Hoping in the near future more new committers will be coming to > >> contribute. > >> > > >> > - Henry > >> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has demonstrated it > is > >> >> ready to graduate. > >> >> > >> >> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new committers > >> >> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this because of > >> >> a lack of suitable candidates? > >> >> > >> >> Tom > >> >> > >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra < > [email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Thanks Terence. > >> >> > > >> >> > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation proposal. > >> >> > > >> >> > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been contributed this > >> >> > already), > >> >> > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of time we need > your > >> >> > opinions. > >> >> > > >> >> > - Henry > >> >> > > >> >> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Hi Henry, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently have 60 > >> >> >> subscribers, > >> >> >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs 01/22/15). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Terence > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra > >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > HI Patrick, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to gather the > >> >> >> > information. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the dev@ list > >> >> >> > contains > >> >> >> > good amount of emails. > >> >> >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests mirror and JIRA > >> >> >> > discussions. > >> >> >> > The new features development and design had always been made to > >> >> >> > public > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > discussions. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have numbers about how > >> many > >> >> >> > increase of subscriber. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > And the community has released about 7 good releases [2] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs member but > it is > >> >> >> > not > >> >> >> > because lack of trying. > >> >> >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3] and add > >> >> >> > information > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > public sites [4] [5]. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add any advice > >> other > >> >> >> > than > >> >> >> > validate the report. > >> >> >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to vote for. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for Twill to be > in > >> >> >> > incubator anymore. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > - Henry > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > [1] > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/ > >> >> >> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/ > >> >> >> > [3] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111 > >> >> >> > [4] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html > >> >> >> > [5] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <[email protected] > > > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly looking at the > >> >> >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I think you're > in > >> >> >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small, but that > might > >> >> >> > > just > >> >> >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is it an open > >> >> >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is ready for tlp > >> >> >> > > status. > >> >> >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into progress? E.g. > >> >> >> > > number > >> >> >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the community. > >> Growth > >> >> >> > > of > >> >> >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could provide > concrete > >> >> >> > > insight and help with the evaluation. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the incubator list > >> >> >> > > around > >> >> >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone mentioned > the > >> >> >> > > following document which it seems some folks are using to > >> evaluate > >> >> >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of graduation, > but > >> how > >> >> >> > > do > >> >> >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated against it? > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Regards, > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Patrick > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra > >> >> >> > > <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > > wrote: > >> >> >> > > > HI All, > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache Twill as top > >> level > >> >> >> > project. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > The community has released several successful releases and > have > >> >> >> > expanded > >> >> >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all > discussions > >> and > >> >> >> > > > development in the open following the Apache way. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not attract much > >> >> >> > > contributions > >> >> >> > > > from outside world. > >> >> >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN are done > mostly > >> >> >> > > > by > >> >> >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind to spend > boiler > >> >> >> > > > plate > >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing left to > learn by > >> >> >> > > > staying > >> >> >> > > in > >> >> >> > > > the incubator. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > - Henry > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >
