We could send it now. Sorry I was bit pre-occupied in the last week.

Any PPMC could start the official VOTE thread to make it happen.

If no one beats me, I will send it tomorrow.

- Henry

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Sreevatsan Raman <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Thanks Henry for taking this initiative. Do we need to do anything before
> we send the graduation vote? When can we send this?
>
> Thanks,
> Sree
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the insights, Tom.
> >
> > If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in next
> > couple days.
> >
> > - Henry
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Tom,
> > > >
> > > > Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind went to
> > > > "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch.
> > > >
> > > > Super Mea culpa from my side.
> > >
> > > No worries!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I know about Clutch =P
> > >
> > > I thought you would do :)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation, which is
> > me.
> > > > And it is reflected in the reports.
> > >
> > > That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has
> > > demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to graduate.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > > Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect it.
> > > >
> > > > - Henry
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Henry,
> > > >>
> > > >> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of incubator
> > > >> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> > > >>
> > > >> For example column K is for the number of committers added during
> > > >> incubation, which is what prompted my original question.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Tom
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > [email protected]>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > HI Tom,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but bit
> missing
> > > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> > stickiness to
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I think
> > graduation
> > > is
> > > >> > just another stepping stone for project to grow.
> > > >> > Hoping in the near future more new committers will be coming to
> > > >> contribute.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Henry
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has demonstrated
> it
> > > is
> > > >> >> ready to graduate.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new
> > committers
> > > >> >> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this
> because
> > of
> > > >> >> a lack of suitable candidates?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Tom
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > > [email protected]>
> > > >> >> wrote:
> > > >> >> > Thanks Terence.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation proposal.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been contributed
> this
> > > >> >> > already),
> > > >> >> > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of time we
> need
> > > your
> > > >> >> > opinions.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > - Henry
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <[email protected]
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Hi Henry,
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently have
> 60
> > > >> >> >> subscribers,
> > > >> >> >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs 01/22/15).
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Terence
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra
> > > >> >> >> <[email protected]>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> > HI Patrick,
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to gather the
> > > >> >> >> > information.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the dev@
> > list
> > > >> >> >> > contains
> > > >> >> >> > good amount of emails.
> > > >> >> >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests mirror and
> > JIRA
> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> > > >> >> >> > The new features development and design had always been made
> > to
> > > >> >> >> > public
> > > >> >> >> > for
> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have numbers about
> > how
> > > >> many
> > > >> >> >> > increase of subscriber.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > And the community has released about 7 good releases [2]
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs member
> but
> > > it is
> > > >> >> >> > not
> > > >> >> >> > because lack of trying.
> > > >> >> >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3] and add
> > > >> >> >> > information
> > > >> >> >> > to
> > > >> >> >> > public sites [4] [5].
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add any
> advice
> > > >> other
> > > >> >> >> > than
> > > >> >> >> > validate the report.
> > > >> >> >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to vote for.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for Twill to
> > be
> > > in
> > > >> >> >> > incubator anymore.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Thanks,
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > - Henry
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > [1]
> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/
> > > >> >> >> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/
> > > >> >> >> > [3]
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111
> > > >> >> >> > [4]
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html
> > > >> >> >> > [5]
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <
> > [email protected]
> > > >
> > > >> >> >> > wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly looking at
> > the
> > > >> >> >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I think
> > you're
> > > in
> > > >> >> >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small, but
> that
> > > might
> > > >> >> >> > > just
> > > >> >> >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is it an
> > open
> > > >> >> >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is ready for
> > tlp
> > > >> >> >> > > status.
> > > >> >> >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into progress?
> > E.g.
> > > >> >> >> > > number
> > > >> >> >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the
> community.
> > > >> Growth
> > > >> >> >> > > of
> > > >> >> >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could provide
> > > concrete
> > > >> >> >> > > insight and help with the evaluation.
> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the incubator
> > list
> > > >> >> >> > > around
> > > >> >> >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone
> mentioned
> > > the
> > > >> >> >> > > following document which it seems some folks are using to
> > > >> evaluate
> > > >> >> >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of
> graduation,
> > > but
> > > >> how
> > > >> >> >> > > do
> > > >> >> >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated against it?
> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > > Regards,
> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > > Patrick
> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra
> > > >> >> >> > > <[email protected]>
> > > >> >> >> > > wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > > > HI All,
> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache Twill as
> top
> > > >> level
> > > >> >> >> > project.
> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> >> > > > The community has released several successful releases
> and
> > > have
> > > >> >> >> > expanded
> > > >> >> >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all
> > > discussions
> > > >> and
> > > >> >> >> > > > development in the open following the Apache way.
> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not attract
> > much
> > > >> >> >> > > contributions
> > > >> >> >> > > > from outside world.
> > > >> >> >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN are done
> > > mostly
> > > >> >> >> > > > by
> > > >> >> >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind to spend
> > > boiler
> > > >> >> >> > > > plate
> > > >> >> >> > in
> > > >> >> >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs.
> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing left to
> > > learn by
> > > >> >> >> > > > staying
> > > >> >> >> > > in
> > > >> >> >> > > > the incubator.
> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed.
> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> >> > > > - Henry
> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>

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