So I have a question regarding B:
Who decides whether the evidence is enough or not?
Best
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Zoi
Στις Τρίτη, 25 Ιανουαρίου 2022, 11:25:36 π.μ. CET, ο χρήστης Alexander
Alten-Lorenz <a...@databloom.ai> έγραψε:
Of course, B and C first. But we need to come to an conclusion, at the end.
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> On 25. Jan 2022, at 09:30, Zoi Kaoudi <zkao...@yahoo.gr.invalid> wrote:
>
> I would really go for B and C, then D and A the last option. Changing the
> name now would only hurt imo..
> Best
> --
> Zoi
>
>
> Στις Τρίτη, 25 Ιανουαρίου 2022, 09:11:17 π.μ. CET, ο χρήστης Christofer
>Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> έγραψε:
>
> Usually: going to the board should be a measure of last resort. And the board
> usually respects the judgements of trademarks. So I wouldn't expect that to
> help.
>
> The main difference is probably, that there isn't a well established software
> vendor called jackdaw.
>
> After all, It's not about translations, it's about trademarks.
>
> Let's not escalate this too soon.
>
> Chris
>
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> ________________________________
> From: Alexander Alten <a...@databloom.ai>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 8:53:42 AM
> To: dev@wayang.apache.org <dev@wayang.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Wayang Name
>
> My point stays the same:
>
> Wayang is a Indonesian proper name, which never should be translated
> To say that the world speaks English is a bold statement, at least not in
> Indonesia ;)
> I contacted Abby Kearns, CTO of Puppet, Inc - but no response so far
>
> As example:
> Kafka translated into English means Jackdaw, but Kafka is also a well known
> Bohemian Novellist. Now Kafka is named after the Author, which is a
> intellectual property in Germany (Urheberrechtsgesetz).
>
> Therefore I vote to discuss this matter with the presidents office of the
> Apache Software Foundation and come to a conclusion, whatever the outcome is.
>
> Cheers,
> —Alex
>
>
>> On 24. Jan 2022, at 21:34, Bertty Contreras <ber...@databloom.ai> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Folks,
>>
>> In the case of this vote we will then discuss over the same thread, because
>> it has several options and it is not just +1 or -1.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bertty
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:33 PM Bertty Contreras <ber...@databloom.ai>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Maybe several of you already know that we are finalizing the setup for the
>>> name of puddling, and we have one complaint from a reviewing member where
>>> he said that "wayang" could be associated with 'puppet'.
>>>
>>> We try to show him that "wayang" is a concept, but it is not enough
>>> because it has a relation with 'puppet'. If we want to conserve the name,
>>> we have the following options:
>>>
>>> a) the podling chooses a new name
>>> b) the podling provide enough argument for "Wayang" does not conflict with
>>> "Puppet"
>>> c) the podling obtains agreement from Puppet Inc that Puppet Inc has no
>>> objection to the ASF's use of the "Wayang" name
>>> d) the podling appeals to the ASF president to overrule the current
>>> decision
>>>
>>> In the case of option "B", a group of the community members try to
>>> formulate arguments about that wayang is the concept behind the ancestral
>>> theater of java island. However, it was not enough. If you have a legal
>>> base, it could be an excellent option to add to the justifications.
>>>
>>> In the case of option "C", Alex is trying to contact a friend that works
>>> in Puppet Inc. Nevertheless, if one of you has contact with someone in
>>> Puppet Inc, it could help us speed up the process.
>>>
>>> Regarding option "D", if we want to follow this option, we need to prepare
>>> a good argument with legal fundamentals and focus on the concept of wayang.
>>>
>>> Finally, the option "A" throws away all the work around the name of Apache
>>> Wayang to make it popular, and we start from scratch the process again but
>>> with a new name.
>>>
>>> Now the vote is, which path do we want to follow concerning our options?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bertty
>>>
>
