Hello wayangners, I also support going for B and C in parallel and then to D and last to A. Could the opinion of a Indonesian native speaker help in this matter?
— Jorge On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 11:51 AM Alexander Alten <a...@databloom.ai> wrote: > The Trademark team, since they are the line of defense. And btw, I fully > understand the argument from the ™ team. But I also see from my experience > no real issue - but I’m firm in the EU trademark world, not the US one. > > Cheers, > —Alex > > > On 25. Jan 2022, at 11:46, Zoi Kaoudi <zkao...@yahoo.gr.INVALID> wrote: > > > > So I have a question regarding B: > > > > Who decides whether the evidence is enough or not? > > Best > > -- > > Zoi > > Στις Τρίτη, 25 Ιανουαρίου 2022, 11:25:36 π.μ. CET, ο χρήστης > Alexander Alten-Lorenz <a...@databloom.ai> έγραψε: > > > > Of course, B and C first. But we need to come to an conclusion, at the > end. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On 25. Jan 2022, at 09:30, Zoi Kaoudi <zkao...@yahoo.gr.invalid> wrote: > >> > >> I would really go for B and C, then D and A the last option. Changing > the name now would only hurt imo.. > >> Best > >> -- > >> Zoi > >> > >> > >> Στις Τρίτη, 25 Ιανουαρίου 2022, 09:11:17 π.μ. CET, ο χρήστης > Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> έγραψε: > >> > >> Usually: going to the board should be a measure of last resort. And the > board usually respects the judgements of trademarks. So I wouldn't expect > that to help. > >> > >> The main difference is probably, that there isn't a well established > software vendor called jackdaw. > >> > >> After all, It's not about translations, it's about trademarks. > >> > >> Let's not escalate this too soon. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Alexander Alten <a...@databloom.ai> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 8:53:42 AM > >> To: dev@wayang.apache.org <dev@wayang.apache.org> > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Wayang Name > >> > >> My point stays the same: > >> > >> Wayang is a Indonesian proper name, which never should be translated > >> To say that the world speaks English is a bold statement, at least not > in Indonesia ;) > >> I contacted Abby Kearns, CTO of Puppet, Inc - but no response so far > >> > >> As example: > >> Kafka translated into English means Jackdaw, but Kafka is also a well > known Bohemian Novellist. Now Kafka is named after the Author, which is a > intellectual property in Germany (Urheberrechtsgesetz). > >> > >> Therefore I vote to discuss this matter with the presidents office of > the Apache Software Foundation and come to a conclusion, whatever the > outcome is. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> —Alex > >> > >> > >>> On 24. Jan 2022, at 21:34, Bertty Contreras <ber...@databloom.ai> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello Folks, > >>> > >>> In the case of this vote we will then discuss over the same thread, > because > >>> it has several options and it is not just +1 or -1. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Bertty > >>> > >>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:33 PM Bertty Contreras <ber...@databloom.ai > > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Folks, > >>>> > >>>> Maybe several of you already know that we are finalizing the setup > for the > >>>> name of puddling, and we have one complaint from a reviewing member > where > >>>> he said that "wayang" could be associated with 'puppet'. > >>>> > >>>> We try to show him that "wayang" is a concept, but it is not enough > >>>> because it has a relation with 'puppet'. If we want to conserve the > name, > >>>> we have the following options: > >>>> > >>>> a) the podling chooses a new name > >>>> b) the podling provide enough argument for "Wayang" does not conflict > with > >>>> "Puppet" > >>>> c) the podling obtains agreement from Puppet Inc that Puppet Inc has > no > >>>> objection to the ASF's use of the "Wayang" name > >>>> d) the podling appeals to the ASF president to overrule the current > >>>> decision > >>>> > >>>> In the case of option "B", a group of the community members try to > >>>> formulate arguments about that wayang is the concept behind the > ancestral > >>>> theater of java island. However, it was not enough. If you have a > legal > >>>> base, it could be an excellent option to add to the justifications. > >>>> > >>>> In the case of option "C", Alex is trying to contact a friend that > works > >>>> in Puppet Inc. Nevertheless, if one of you has contact with someone in > >>>> Puppet Inc, it could help us speed up the process. > >>>> > >>>> Regarding option "D", if we want to follow this option, we need to > prepare > >>>> a good argument with legal fundamentals and focus on the concept of > wayang. > >>>> > >>>> Finally, the option "A" throws away all the work around the name of > Apache > >>>> Wayang to make it popular, and we start from scratch the process > again but > >>>> with a new name. > >>>> > >>>> Now the vote is, which path do we want to follow concerning our > options? > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Bertty > >>>> > >> > >
