Hi Frank, *, sorry for being late with my comments again...
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 03:45:36PM +0100, Frank Mau wrote: > Hello again, > a first view on the proposal is available at > http://download.openoffice.org/draft.html Suggest english linux/intel with jre for me. That it is the JRE version can only be told by looking at the URL itself, it is not mentioned in the description. The explanation doesn't tell what package format it did choose. But even it it would tell me, that selection is not what I want anyway. So on to the "Get more platforms and languages" link. Table caches my eye, I'm happy, I see German in there (but that table is very small compared to on how many langauges there are), I see Linux RPM - got the link... BUT: again the link is a wjre Download without telling clearly.. I look around and find that "hidden" checkbox that melds with the rest of the "bla bla" that nobody will read (when visiting that page via that path) above the table. Disable that and now I can finally click the link. (alternatively, choose P2P from the very beginning, choose version, choose OS, choose language, download starts immediately -> 3 clicks, same as old/current one) Old/current page: * See "US English version", klick "other langauges link immediately next to it * on the page of NL-Projects spot German, click on it * de-NL page greets me with download link, click that * See my beloved Torrent links, click on it, download begins (alternatively, I'd would have had to choose my OS/Packageformat from the dropwon and click once more to start a regular download) So 4(or 5) clicks old compared to three - So not so much improvement for me personally, but should be for the english-speaking users. > As you can see it's more or less a copy of the 2.3.1 download-page > (http://download.openoffice.org/2.3.1/index.html?focus=download). But > removed the wide-green range of ugly links. Instead of this a simple > link for the used platform and language is given. Below a general link > to all available downloads (should be extended by each language). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Not sure whether I understand that correctly. Providing links for on-english packages still is a matter of being lucky to find it? I mean: how would I find a finnish build with the new draft-design? Not listed in the other languages link-box. Is it down to manually updating that list? Need to manually keep track of the available versions? I see the arabic one points to 2.0.2 > The switch to have a Bouncer-link or a link to the native-language page > is set in the download.js. So each NL-community can set this for their > own. My advice is, use the one-click-feature for OSUOSL-supported > languages like English US, French, Dutch, Russian, Japanese .... This > will be the easiest way to get an OpenOffice.org by one click. Bouncer still suffers from * not supporting ftp, * being one and only thing to rely on. If bouncer misbehvaves again, then all downloads will be unavailable. But that aside: Even when the NL-Project uses buoncer links, you would still have to update the pages manually, don't you? > I know we had a beginning discussion about Bouncer with its > disadvantages. But in most cases the result (a download) will be > delivered in time. And beside this, Bouncer is only a part in this > approach, not the approach itself! Well, if the only download-options is a bouncer link, then you cannot decouple bouncer from the approach. > Important for this proposal is to get released versions as soon as > possible to the customer. Updating the large list on > http://download.openoffice.org/other.html is critical. To get the data > we need a central point/tool to hold the information. The tool is named > QATrack (http://qatrack.services.openoffice.org/), written by some of > our community-members, special thanks!!! It allows us to get the entries > for each language in an automated way (with some adaptations in the > future) so we can guarantee further needed updates. In the meantime we > have to update it manually. :-/ > [...] > Ok, and now some Click-counts (starting on > download.openoffice.org/index.html or draft.html) for Windows on a > windows-machine with given language: > > language old new > English-US 2 1 > German 4* 1 > French 3* 1 > Hungarian 3* 2* > > * uses the native language download-page not Bouncer! > > If you're on a en-US machine and looking for example German > OpenOffice.org you need in the new version 2 clicks and on the old way 6 > clicks. So in general we can reduce the number of clicks drastically. Well, if you're happy with downloading bloat (JRE) that you already got installed in multiple versions.... > Try out and give me response, thank you It is a little improvement, but /still/ I don't understand all that hype about one-click download. If it is only about getting statistics more easily, that could be solved using other means. ciao Christian -- NP: Agressor - Someone To Eat --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
