Kay Schenk wrote:
On 06/08/2010 11:35 AM, Marcus Lange wrote:
Kay Schenk wrote:
Hello Kay,
oh boy! Well thanks for the update. Considering we want the user to
have the best experience possible, I do understand better about this.
It's just all these permutations and the latest change in the "schema"
naming has really COMPLICATED the download scripting to the point that
with the new filename schema especially the scripting and filtering
should be easier than before. Now it's a clear thing with the "_" and
"-" as separator and binding characters. Before it was, hm, a mess with
all the exceptions.
I think these are really non-maintainable almost. I do really wish
some of this could be re-considered, re-discussed or I don't know
what.
I don't think that it's not maintainable. I can still do this stuff. ;-)
ahemmm...well, it gives me a bit of headache to look at, and so much
repition now for the various DL servers--bouncer vs mirrorbrain...but
please forget Bouncer. It wasn't maintained with current builds since
many months, maybe already a year. Lets just concentrate on Mirrorbrain. :-)
maybe the website "group" isn't even the right place to address these
sorts of things (???) Ah for a nice DB backend to deal with some of this!
Right, this has to be discussed on the level of project leads for
releases, distribution and L10N.
But the release process doesn't fit anymore IMHO. Every language team
can release what and when they will. *This* is not maintainable and
foreseeable. We should really think about to improve some steps here.
well some sort of an organizational chit-chat is in order IMNSHO...maybe
this could be taken up by some appropriate parties at the next OO.o
conf. I'll knock on a few virtual doors to see what can be done.
Yeah, good point.
I'll dig deeper this week and see if I can determine if more simplicity
is possible.
Great
Best regards
Marcus
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Marcus Lange <[email protected]>
wrote:
Kay Schenk wrote:
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Marcus Lange <[email protected]>
wrote:
Kay Schenk wrote:
On 05/28/2010 01:12 PM, Marcus Lange wrote:
Kay Schenk wrote:
Hello Kay,
I can probably get the new idea to work...but...I'm still not
convinced
this is really the best approach. And, I think it would far
better to
spell out what the consequences will be is you don't have a JRE.
This was already tried in the past. Maybe you could take this to
release
meeting?
And? and, I don't know how to "take this to release meeting".
Help! and
thanks for your reply.
OK, I can try it and will let you know. But first I'll proof my
assumtions
about the functionality that needs Java.
great! thanks...
there are several places were the JRE is used:
At the moment it's not possible to take every corner into accout as I
would have to ask nearly every developer. But the following are IMHO
really main topics:
Installer:
The installer on Unix OSs are using the JRE. For Windows the native
MSI technology is used. Especially on Linux we cannot know what is
maybe preinstalled and how suitable it is. Of course OOo should
install/run on famous and not so common distributions preferably
without problems.
Wizards:
Every wizard that canbe used via menu "File - Wizard" is using Java.
Base:
The included default database engine HSQLDB needs an JRE to work.
Also the Sun extensions like the Report Builder is using Java.
Furthermore the story behind the integration is that we want to make
sure that the user is able to work with every function in OOo (and
eventually extension) out-of-the-box. A separate and manual
installation of the JRE is not wished. So, this can be fullfilled at
best when providing the JRE together with the OOo package.
So, as a result I don't think that we can switch to builds without
JRE totally.
Best regards
Marcus
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