Amos, I forgot to say thank you for you saying, 6 of committer affiliated in NFLabs and Felix is my friend.
But here's some correction, As an employee of NFLabs, I hope more people from my company contribute more and become a Committer of Zeppelin. But so far 5 out of 8 affiliated NFLabs, And Zeppelin, as any another apache project does, taking diversity of committer really importantly. And i believe that's how project grow. If you say Felix is my friend, i say thank you. I met Felix first time in the meetup you always refering. Thank you Amos to make me friend of Felix. Best, moon On 2016년 2월 6일 (토) at 오전 8:59 moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> wrote: > Amos, > > Thanks for opinion. > > I think CI stability is not a problem for graduation. > CI sometimes break, but always fixed and back online in a day. CI has no > problem in general. > > I must say clearly, pr208 is not merged because of it does not pass ci > test, not because of CI is broken. Please don't confuse. > > > I don't see anyone in the community try to steal your work. You always > pointing Felix but he said he used his own work. > > Zeppelin community is not judging what happened in a 3rd party meetup. > > Please go to law court with your evidence if you think someone stole your > work for the presentation for the meetup. That's better instead of > complaining in graduation discussion thread. > > Best, > moon > > On 2016년 2월 6일 (토) at 오전 7:44 Amos Elberg <amos.elb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The topic here is supposed to be an open, honest, objective evaluation >> of the project against the criteria in the checklist. >> >> I would like us to stick to the subject. >> >> > > > QU10 The project is open and honest about the quality of its ... >> > > The project has been quite defensive concerning code quality, and >> > > everything else really. As just one example, when the CI issues >> > > were first reported, the response for some three months was >> > > "there can't be anything wrong so we won't bother looking." ... >> > 9/10 latest PR passes the CI. I don't think CI is broken. >> > If you think CI is broken for the whole project, you can always try >> > to fix and contribute. that will be appreciated. >> >> The issue is whether the project is "open and honest" about code >> quality. Or defensive (and hostile). >> >> CI isn't broken? How many PRs have been merged in the last month with a >> note to not worry that they don't pass CI because its broken? More >> than a month ago Moon personally committed to fix it, and NFlabs has a >> project to completely replace it because its so unstable. >> >> I think Moon has just proven my point. >> >> >> > > > QU20 The project puts a very high priority on producing secure >> > > > software. >> > I always asked people to contribute the security feature. multi-user >> > PR, too. >> >> Not really... Usually the answer was to refer people to NFlabs, or say >> its something that would be discussed in the future. >> >> There was an example on the User list yesterday. >> >> > And i always introduced and directed people to Shiro PR when they >> > need authentication even before it is being merged. >> >> If that were true then why was the PR was ignored for so long? The >> excuse in December was that the PR was forgotten about. >> >> > > > QU40The project puts a high priority on backwards compatibility >> > > > and aims to document any incompatible changes and provide tools > >> > > and documentation to help users transition . . . >> > > There is no such documentation. There have been changes to, e.g., >> > > the. . . that broke code and broke installations, but were >> > > never documented. >> > > I think the belief is "there are no incompatibilities so there's >> > > nothing to document." >> > No. configuration always includes both old, new way of Spark >> > Integration since way Spark integration changes. >> >> That's not correct. In fact Moon and I had an e-mail exchange about this >> in August and September, and its been discussed several times in PR >> comments. >> >> This issue is *still* breaking builds for people, and it comes up on the >> user help list every few days. And that's just one issue. >> >> Moon has, again, made my point. >> >> > > > QU50The project strives to respond to documented bug reports in > > >> > timely manner. >> > > 0.5.6 contained a patch for a bug where the PR was submitted in > > >> *September*, before even 0.5.5. Bug reports from multiple people >> > > and the PR were ignored -- until Twitter complained. >> > 0.5.6 for example includes 78 bug fixes. >> >> Not correct. Fixes to typos and grammar errors in documentation, and >> changes to the shading of windows, are not "bug fixes." >> >> In the 0.5.6 vote I asked if there were any substantive changes or bug >> fixes in 0.5.6. The twitter-bug was the only example that anyone was able >> to produce. >> >> Anyway, the question is still why that PR and the bug reports were >> ignored in September, October, November, before twitter complained? >> >> The issue is whether *the project* is responding to bug reports in a >> timely manner. My example shows that it is not. >> >> >> >> > > > LC40 Committers are bound by an Individual Contributor Agreement >> > > > (the "Apache iCLA") that defines which code they are allowed to >> > > > commit and how they need to identify code that is not their own. >> > > There is no way that Felix's conduct about 208 is consistent with >> > > the iCLA. In addition, Moon knew about that conduct, and didn't do >> > > anything about it. >> > If you want, you can always sign ICLA... >> > But basically, contributed code is committed by one of Zeppelin >> > Committer, who already signed ICLA. So signing ICLA for contributor >> > is not mandatory. >> >> Part of the iCLA is also *honesty* about the attribution of code. >> >> >> > > > CO20 The community welcomes contributions from anyone who acts in > >> > > good faith and in a respectful manner and adds value to the >> > > > project. >> > Yes, acts in good faith and in a respectful manner. >> >> Is that a joke? One current member of the PMC tried to bully me into >> crediting him for work he hadn't done. Then tried to stall the PR while >> publicly claiming authorship. And another member of the PMC covered-up for >> him. >> >> >> > > > CO40The community is meritocratic and over time aims to give >> > > > more rights and responsibilities to contributors who add value to >> > > > the project. >> > > Since incubation began, the PMC has added only one committer who >> > > isn't an affiliate of NFLabs. That person is not a programmer and >> > > has made no contribution to the Zeppelin codebase. >> > We have invited 3 committer after incubation started and 2 committers >> > are out side of NFLabs and 1 committer from NFLabs. >> > Total 8 committers so far, from 4 different affiliation. >> >> Google says 6 are affiliated with NFLabs. Of the two who are not, one >> is Felix. >> >> > And non-code contribution is also very important (docs, marketing, >> > etc). It's even possible to become a committer with out code >> > contribution. >> >> That is true. But the question is whether the project is a >> 'meritocracy.' In this case, the non-programmer committer is Felix, a >> personal friend of Moon's who has a record of dishonesty. >> >> >> >> > > > CS50All "important" discussions happen asynchronously in written >> > > > form on the project's main communications channel. Offline, face >> -> > > to-face or private discussions that affect the project are also >> > > > documented on that channel. >> > > Absolutely not the case. Email chains available on request.> > >> > We do every discussion is in the mailing list. And publish result in >> > the mailing list. Even if there're discussion in the offline, like >> > discussion in the meetup, discussion in the conference, discussion in >> > personal email, we move that into the mailing list. >> >> There are examples mentioned already in this email chain... >> >> >> >> On Fri, 2016-02-05 at 20:36 +0000, moon soo Lee wrote: >> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 2:37 AM Amos Elberg <amos.elb...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Since subtlety has not worked, I will now be blunter. >> > > >> > > The reason PR 208 has been delayed since August is that Felix >> > > Cheung >> > > demanded that I credit him as a co-author even though he hadn't >> > > done >> > > any work. >> > > >> > > When I refused, Felix privately contacted Moon, who is his friend, >> > > and >> > > claimed the PR contained Felix' intellectual property. Moon then >> > > held >> > > the PR at Felix' request. >> > > >> > > I found out what happened after I pursued Moon to ask why the PR >> > > had >> > > been ignored. When he told me what happened, I had to offer e-mail >> > > chains and commit logs to prove that Felix was lying. >> > > >> > > Since then, its been one bogus, junk reason for delay after >> > > another. >> > > For a while, this seems to be because Moon wanted to give Felix >> > > time to >> > > produce a competing implementation. Except, Felix wasn't able to >> > > do >> > > it. I caught him trying to pass-off code he'd stolen as his own, >> > > with >> > > Moon (who should have known) present. >> > > >> > > When I confronted Moon he told me, basically, "don't rock our >> > > boat." >> > > >> > > If anyone has any doubt about whether what I've said is true, I >> > > have the >> > > email chains, the commit logs, the chat records... >> > > >> > > I believe the reason PRs have been delayed is that they conflicted >> > > with >> > > other goals of either NFLabs, or friends of committers. Such as >> > > security >> > > PRs, when NFlabs offers multi-user functionality commercially and >> > > outside >> > > the project. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Here are my comments on the draft checklist: >> > > >> > > > QU10The project is open and honest about the quality of its code. >> > > > Various levels of quality and maturity for various modules are >> > > > natural and acceptable as long as they are clearly communicated. >> > > > Yes >> > > >> > > The project has been quite defensive concerning code quality, and >> > > everything else really. As just one example, when the CI issues >> > > were >> > > first reported, the response for some three months was "there can't >> > > be >> > > anything wrong so we won't bother looking." Now its acknowledged >> > > that >> > > CI is basically broken for the whole project. >> > > >> > > There are many such examples. >> > > >> > > >> > 9/10 latest PR passes the CI. I don't think CI is broken. >> > If you think CI is broken for the whole project, you can always try >> > to fix >> > and contribute. that will be appreciated. >> > >> > >> > >> > > > QU20The project puts a very high priority on producing secure >> > > > software. >> > > > Yes >> > > >> > > The evidence is otherwise. >> > > >> > > While many people ask about security features, the response has >> > > always >> > > been from the PMC "some day," with no progress made. When >> > > community >> > > members tried to contribute the code --- the Shiro PR was >> > > inexplicably >> > > delayed by 4+ months; and the reaction to the new multi-user PR >> > > already >> > > seems unusual, etc. >> > > >> > > Maybe the project intends to make security a priority in the >> > > future. >> > > But so far it has not. >> > > >> > >> > I always asked people to contribute the security feature. multi-user >> > PR, >> > too. >> > And i always introduced and directed people to Shiro PR when they >> > need >> > authentication even before it is being merged. >> > >> > And SSL support, securing cross origin access, etc, there're other >> > security >> > improvement effort that already been done and merged. >> > >> > I don't think project is not producing secure software. >> > >> > >> > > > QU40The project puts a high priority on backwards compatibility >> > > > and >> > > > aims to document any incompatible changes and provide tools and >> > > > documentation to help users transition to new features. >> > > > Yes >> > > >> > > There is no such documentation. There have been changes to, e.g., >> > > the >> > > way Zeppelin has to be configured, the way Spark integrates with >> > > Zeppelin, etc., that broke code and broke installations, but were >> > > never >> > > documented. >> > > >> > I think the belief is "there are no incompatibilities so there's >> > > nothing to document." But that is not the case. >> > > >> > > >> > No. configuration always includes both old, new way of Spark >> > Integration >> > since way Spark integration changes. And it still does >> > >> > If you don't think it's enough, you can always contribute the >> > documentation. >> > >> > >> > > > QU50The project strives to respond to documented bug reports in a >> > > > timely manner.Yes >> > > >> > > 0.5.6 contained a patch for a bug where the PR was submitted in >> > > *September*, before even 0.5.5. Bug reports from multiple people >> > > and >> > > the PR were ignored -- until Twitter complained. >> > > >> > > This is just one example. >> > > >> > > >> > 0.5.6 for example includes 78 bug fixes. see >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=1231 >> > 6221&version=12334165 >> > I don't think bug fixes are ignored. >> > >> > You can always help fix the bug. Project does not officially discuss >> > on >> > twitter about the bug. >> > >> > >> > >> > > > LC40 Committers are bound by an Individual Contributor Agreement >> > > > (the >> > > > "Apache iCLA") that defines which code they are allowed to >> > > > commit >> > > > and how they need to identify code that is not their own. >> > > > Yes >> > > >> > > There is no way that Felix's conduct about 208 is consistent with >> > > the >> > > iCLA. In addition, Moon knew about that conduct, and didn't do >> > > anything >> > > about it. >> > > >> > > >> > If you want, you can always sign ICLA. >> > https://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt >> > >> > But basically, contributed code is committed by one of Zeppelin >> > Committer, >> > who already signed ICLA. >> > So signing ICLA for contributor is not mandatory. >> > >> > >> > > > CO20 >> > > > The community welcomes contributions from anyone who acts in good >> > > > faith and in a respectful manner and adds value to the project. >> > > > Yes >> > > >> > > See above. >> > > >> > >> > Yes, acts in good faith and in a respectful manner. >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > CO40The community is meritocratic and over time aims to give more >> > > > rights and responsibilities to contributors who add value to the >> > > > project. >> > > > Yes >> > > >> > > Since incubation began, the PMC has added only one committer who >> > > isn't >> > > an affiliate of NFLabs. >> > > >> > > That person is not a programmer and has made no contribution to the >> > > Zeppelin codebase. >> > > >> > > >> > We have invited 3 committer after incubation started and 2 committers >> > are >> > out side of NFLabs and 1 committer from NFLabs. >> > >> > Total 8 committers so far, from 4 different affiliation. >> > >> > And non-code contribution is also very important (docs, marketing, >> > etc). >> > It's even possible to become a committer with out code contribution. >> > >> > >> > >> > > > CO50 >> > > > The way in which contributors can be granted more rights such as >> > > > commit access or decision power is clearly documented and is the >> > > > same >> > > > for all contributors. >> > > > Yes >> > > >> > > See above. >> > > >> > > CS50All "important" discussions happen asynchronously in written >> > > form >> > > > on the project's main communications channel. Offline, face-to >> > > > -face >> > > > or private discussions that affect the project are also >> > > > documented on >> > > > that channel. >> > > > Yes >> > > >> > > Absolutely not the case. Email chains available on request. >> > > >> > > >> > We do every discussion is in the mailing list. And publish result in >> > the >> > mailing list. Even if there're discussion in the offline, like >> > discussion >> > in the meetup, discussion in the conference, discussion in personal >> > email, >> > we move that into the mailing list. >> > >> > >> > >> > > > IN10The project is independent from any corporate or >> > > > organizational >> > > > influence. >> > > > Yes >> > > >> > > I'm not so sure... >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, 2016-02-04 at 23:50 +0000, moon soo Lee wrote: >> > > > I have filled out all checklists and commented as much as i can. >> > > > >> > > > Please review >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ZEPPELIN/Apache+Zeppe >> > > > lin+ >> > > > Project+Maturity+Model >> > > > . >> > > > >> > > > Did i filled out correctly? Any feedback would be really >> > > > appreciated. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > moon >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:03 AM moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > I have created >> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ZEPPELIN/Apache+Zep >> > > > > peli >> > > > > n+Project+Maturity+Model and >> > > > > trying to fill out Apache Maturity Model checklist. >> > > > > >> > > > > Let me notify this thread when everything is filled out. >> > > > > And any comment, help would be appreciated. >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > moon >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 3:55 AM Roman Shaposhnik < >> > > > > ro...@shaposhnik.org> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > In general I agree. That said, if one of you guys were to >> > > > > > fill >> > > > > > out the >> > > > > > Apache Maturity Model >> > > > > > checklist that would help frame the IPMC discussion. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > > Roman. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Mina Lee <mina...@apache.org >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > I think Zeppelin meets the requirements for graduation. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Zeppelin community is growing fast and getting more >> > > > > > > diverse. >> > > > > > > Number of >> > > > > > > contributors has increased more than 7 times and three new >> > > > > > > committers >> > > > > > are >> > > > > > > admitted since Zeppelin became Apache podling project. And >> > > > > > > release, vote >> > > > > > > related discussions have adopted ASF way so far. >> > > > > > > Also Zeppelin is the one of the projects making big synergy >> > > > > > > with other >> > > > > > > apache projects by providing different back-end >> > > > > > > interpreters(ex >> > > > > > > spark, >> > > > > > > hive, flink, hbase, cassandra, etc) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > so +1 for graduation. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:13 AM, madhuka udantha < >> > > > > > madhukaudan...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > +1 for graduation >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:59 PM, DuyHai Doan < >> > > > > > > > doanduy...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I was reading the link provided by Leemoonsoo about the >> > > > > > > > > Apache >> > > > > > project >> > > > > > > > > maturity model. ( >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturit >> > > > > > y-mo >> > > > > > del.html >> > > > > > ) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > QU20 The project puts a very high priority on >> > > > > > > > > > producing >> > > > > > > > > > secure >> > > > > > software >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It's related to security and I know that there is a >> > > > > > > > > commit >> > > > > > > > > on Shiro >> > > > > > > > > authentication already by hayssams (kudo to him by the >> > > > > > > > > way). There is >> > > > > > > > also >> > > > > > > > > some JIRA ticket to add documentation about Kerberos ( >> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-zeppelin/pull/640). >> > > > > > > > > Don't know >> > > > > > if >> > > > > > > > > there >> > > > > > > > > is a JIRA to add doc for Shiro yet. Anyway, on the >> > > > > > > > > chapter >> > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > security, >> > > > > > > > all >> > > > > > > > > the works are being done and are on good way. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Under the Community topic, I think all the points are >> > > > > > > > > covered (for >> > > > > > > > example, >> > > > > > > > > becoming a committer (point CO50) is clearly documented >> > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > CONTRIBUTING.md) >> > > > > > > > > as well as consensus (point CO60). >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Under the Consensus Building chapter, every discussion >> > > > > > > > > related to >> > > > > > release >> > > > > > > > > or votes have been exposed so far publicly on the >> > > > > > > > > mailing >> > > > > > > > > list. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As far as I see, all the points are covered. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now my personal opinion as a community member is that >> > > > > > > > > it's >> > > > > > > > > high >> > > > > > time for >> > > > > > > > > the project to graduate. Until now I did not feel >> > > > > > > > > comfortable >> > > > > > advising >> > > > > > > > > Zeppelin for customers to deploy in production because >> > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > lack of >> > > > > > > > security >> > > > > > > > > but since security support (at least for >> > > > > > > > > authentication) is >> > > > > > > > > in the >> > > > > > trunk >> > > > > > > > > and the improvements are on the way, I don't see any >> > > > > > > > > blocker anymore. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So a big +1 for me >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Ahyoung Ryu < >> > > > > > > > > ahyoungry...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Totally agree with @anthonycorbacho. I think it's >> > > > > > > > > > time to >> > > > > > > > > > graduate >> > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > step >> > > > > > > > > > forward. >> > > > > > > > > > So, ++1 ! >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2016년 2월 4일 목요일, Anthony Corbacho< >> > > > > > > > > > anthonycorba...@apache.org>님이 >> > > > > > 작성한 >> > > > > > > > 메시지: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi, >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I dont see any reason why we shouldn't start a >> > > > > > > > > > > vote. >> > > > > > > > > > > unlike release, it doesnt require any specific >> > > > > > > > > > > features >> > > > > > > > > > > (For >> > > > > > specific >> > > > > > > > > > > feature like R or ACL, we can add it as a >> > > > > > > > > > > requirement >> > > > > > > > > > > for the >> > > > > > first >> > > > > > > > > > release >> > > > > > > > > > > as TLP), >> > > > > > > > > > > so for me its a big +1. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Victor Manuel >> > > > > > > > > > > Garcia < >> > > > > > > > > > > victor.gar...@beeva.com <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, >> > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion we can graduate from the incubator. >> > > > > > > > > > > > I >> > > > > > > > > > > > think we >> > > > > > all >> > > > > > > > well >> > > > > > > > > > > > controlled procedures, regardless of new features >> > > > > > > > > > > > that also >> > > > > > will be >> > > > > > > > > > > > improved or adding . For example we need to >> > > > > > > > > > > > greatly >> > > > > > > > > > > > improve the >> > > > > > > > > > > > documentation, but i since is not necesary for >> > > > > > > > > > > > graduation. >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for graduation >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > congrats for the work...!!! >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 2016-02-04 9:13 GMT+01:00 Alexander Bezzubov < >> > > > > > > > > > > > b...@apache.org >> > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>>: >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jakob, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you for pointing this out, it is exactly >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as >> > > > > > > > > > > > > you >> > > > > > describe >> > > > > > > > > (there >> > > > > > > > > > > > were >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 releases since joining the incubator) >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If we could keep this thread focused on >> > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and get >> > > > > > more >> > > > > > > > > > > oppinions >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from other participants - that would awesome! >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Its great to see people volonteering to help >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > > > > > particular >> > > > > > > > > features >> > > > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release here, but please feel free to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > fork >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > thread >> > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > > further >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on technical details. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016, 08:51 Jakob Homan < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > jgho...@gmail.com >> > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey all- >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A data point and observation from an ASF >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Member and >> > > > > > > > Incubator >> > > > > > > > > > PMC >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Member... >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is correct that readiness for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a >> > > > > > function >> > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > community development and adherence to the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way, >> > > > > > rather >> > > > > > > > any >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific feature or tech milestones. Since >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering >> > > > > > Incubator, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeppelin's had two relatively easy releases, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > finished >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > incubation checklist >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zeppeli >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > n.ht >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ml), has >> > > > > > > > added >> > > > > > > > > > new >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > commiters, etc. In short, Zeppelin's in a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > position to >> > > > > > > > > > graduate >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from my perspective. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resolution of specific PRs should be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > handled >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a speedy >> > > > > > > > > matter, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but there doesn't seem to be any disagreement >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that - >> > > > > > just >> > > > > > > > some >> > > > > > > > > > > work >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > left to be done in getting them in. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Jakob >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 February 2016 at 23:39, Amos B. Elberg < >> > > > > > > > > amos.elb...@gmail.com >> > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see a point to splitting it. The >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we didn't >> > > > > > > > merge >> > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > December is that bugs in CI prevented the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *in* 208 >> > > > > > from >> > > > > > > > > > > > > functioning. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It wasn't causing anything else to fail. Now >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is broken >> > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > project >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway. If it was going to be split, I would >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that >> > > > > > myself. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reliability of the code has been proven >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field: >> > > > > > > > > People >> > > > > > > > > > > who >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't use R have switched to the version of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 208 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my repo >> > > > > > > > > because >> > > > > > > > > > it >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > compiles reliably when 0.5.6 does not. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been outstanding since August, and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's very >> > > > > > hard to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a reason - you even participated in a Meetup >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > September >> > > > > > > > where a >> > > > > > > > > > > > variant >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the code in the PR was used as a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > demonstration >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > Zeppelin's >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > capabilities and potential. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of being an Apache project is dealing >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with >> > > > > > significant >> > > > > > > > PRs >> > > > > > > > > > > from >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside the core development team. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Addressing >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > these issues >> > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > R, >> > > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasad's PR, seems like a good test of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > project >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maturity. >> > > > > > These >> > > > > > > > > > were >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > features on the roadmap which were supposed >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > included >> > > > > > > > before >> > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > first >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > non-beta release. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 12:50 AM, moon soo Lee >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < >> > > > > > m...@apache.org >> > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Sourav for interest in this >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and very >> > > > > > > > > valuable >> > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I completely agree how much R and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Authentication (which >> > > > > > i >> > > > > > > > > > believe >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > already >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Zeppelin) will be useful for users. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe me, I >> > > > > > > > want >> > > > > > > > > > > these >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features in Zeppelin more than anyone. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But at the same time we have diversity of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user bases. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people might think supporting >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JDBC is more >> > > > > > > > > > practical >> > > > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful feature, the other can think multi >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -tenancy is the >> > > > > > > > most >> > > > > > > > > > > > > important, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc, etc. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, i believe Apache Top Level project is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defined by how >> > > > > > > > > > community >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > works, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not defined by what feature does the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > software >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > includes. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding bringing R into main branch, I >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried to make >> > > > > > pr208 >> > > > > > > > > > > passes >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could able to make it pass 1 test >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profile, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but >> > > > > > couldn't >> > > > > > > > make >> > > > > > > > > > it >> > > > > > > > > > > > pass >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other test profiles. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm suggesting split the contribution >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller >> > > > > > peaces >> > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > merge >> > > > > > > > > > > > > one >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one. Like Hayssam did it for his >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shiro >> > > > > > > > > security >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > integration >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (pr586). And I'm volunteering making >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pr208 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into smaller >> > > > > > PRs. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:11 PM Sourav >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mazumder < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sourav.mazumde...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does make sense Moon. Completely >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you >> > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > > > features >> > > > > > > > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important for becoming a top level >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, in my opinion, from the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practical >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > usage >> > > > > > > > standpoint, >> > > > > > > > > > > > without >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > these >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two features Zeppelin does not look to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > full >> > > > > > fledged >> > > > > > > > top >> > > > > > > > > > > level >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > project. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious whether there are any technical >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glitches which >> > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > > > > impediment >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing these features to the main >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > branch. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wondering >> > > > > > if >> > > > > > > > any >> > > > > > > > > > help >> > > > > > > > > > > > can >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > help >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get those problems fixed. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 4:22 PM, moon >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soo >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee < >> > > > > > > > > m...@apache.org >> > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think any feature (R or >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever) >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be >> > > > > > > > > > > prerequisites >> > > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation. Especially when a project >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never setup >> > > > > > those >> > > > > > > > > > features >> > > > > > > > > > > > as >> > > > > > > > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation goal. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Including specific features could be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valid concern for >> > > > > > > > > release >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i don't think it's related to a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graduation is much more like if >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is doing it in >> > > > > > > > > apache >> > > > > > > > > > > way, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding. Last time the reason >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't go >> > > > > > for a >> > > > > > > > > > > > graduation >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vote >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, because of there were valid >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concern >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about >> > > > > > contribution >> > > > > > > > > > > > impasse. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since that, community improved / >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clarified >> > > > > > contribution >> > > > > > > > > guide >> > > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > review >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > process. And Zeppelin PPMC members >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to help >> > > > > > > > many >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that they have been as a open PR for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long time. >> > > > > > > > > (Especially >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jongyoul >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Felix helped a lot) >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, let's move discussions like >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'which >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature should >> > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > > > > included' >> > > > > > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release / roadmap discussion. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the graduation discussion, i'd >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have an >> > > > > > > > > discussions, >> > > > > > > > > > > > such >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evaluating >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturit >> > > > > > y-mo >> > > > > > del.html >> > > > > > , >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this make sense for you guys? >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amos, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eran, Sourav? >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:05 AM Amos >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elberg < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > amos.elb...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Eran is right. The last vote for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation >> > > > > > passed-it >> > > > > > > > > was >> > > > > > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > withdrawn >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in favor of releasing 0.5.6. 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