Haha sorry Roman this is my last message.
Amos you are very funny and you have just made my week.
I am reviewing our conversations and I have in fact pointed you to my GitHub
fork more than once and given you code improvements you could add, and said
"that is my own code. That wasn't a fork or clone of your code" "my original
implementation of an interpreter" and you have in fact looked at my changes and
you asked me "my files don't match what you committed against" (dated Sept 10,
2015, 9:58PM)
I wish you really don't trust your memory so much and look at my working code
more closely other than to discount it as not working the entire time.
Ok I'm really stopping this time.
_____________________________
From: Amos Elberg <amos.elb...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Zeppelin from the Incubator
To: <dev@zeppelin.incubator.apache.org>
Felix - I'm not going to respond to you other than to say
that I am
absolutely accusing you, and prepared to back it up. If you want to claim
that people tested your work some time before you had access to mine, I
would love to talk to that person.
There's a record on github of the whole thing, so...
P.S.: You didn't "stop helping me" in September -- I told Moon that you
were incompetent as a programmer, that you were actively trying to prevent
the PR from being completed, and I didn't 'trust you. I then asked if
someone other than you could be involved, if Moon felt it necessary to have
someone "supervise" the PR.
P.P.S.: So literally days after you were "helping" me with the PR, you had
an alternative implementation you were demoing? Do you seriously expect
anyone to believe that?
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Felix Cheung <felixcheun...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Ok this has gone too far. You are putting words into my mouth that I have
> not said.
> My work is my own and do not falsely accuse me, without facts, that I have
> stolen anything. I equally have records to prove that you have not been
> collaborative and my implementation is working before yours, and an user,
> who apparently you work with separately, has tested my working
> implementation before yours. Furthermore, I have no involvement in your PR
> since 1st week of Sept 2015 when I stopped helping you.
> Personal attack is not the Apache Way, and I urge you to reconsider your
> approach. I am not going to reply or debate with you any further on email
> or any electronic medium. And you don't need to send me more SMS or call,
> you have been blocked.
> Felix
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0800, "Amos Elberg" <amos.elb...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I met Felix first time in the meetup you always refering.
>
> He told me he was friends with you in one of our first conversations on
> the phone in July. Maybe he was lying -- he did also claim to be a PMC
> member at the time, which wasn't true.
>
> But you've never denied that in August you appointed him to "oversee"
> and "supervise" the PR. Even though you say you knew he's not a
> programmer and doesnt know how to write code?
>
> I don't think you're being straight with everyone.
>
>
> On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 00:19 +0000, moon soo Lee wrote:
> > Amos,
> >
> > I forgot to say thank you for you saying,
> > 6 of committer affiliated in NFLabs and Felix is my friend.
> >
> > But here's some correction,
> >
> > As an employee of NFLabs,
> > I hope more people from my company contribute more and become a
> > Committer
> > of Zeppelin. But so far 5 out of 8 affiliated NFLabs,
> >
> > And Zeppelin, as any another apache project does, taking diversity of
> > committer really importantly. And i believe that's how project grow.
> >
> > If you say Felix is my friend, i say thank you. I met Felix first
> > time in
> > the meetup you always refering.
> > Thank you Amos to make me friend of Felix.
> >
> > Best,
> > moon
> >
> > On 2016년 2월 6일 (토) at 오전 8:59 moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Amos,
> > >
> > > Thanks for opinion.
> > >
> > > I think CI stability is not a problem for graduation.
> > > CI sometimes break, but always fixed and back online in a day. CI
> > > has no
> > > problem in general.
> > >
> > > I must say clearly, pr208 is not merged because of it does not pass
> > > ci
> > > test, not because of CI is broken. Please don't confuse.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't see anyone in the community try to steal your work. You
> > > always
> > > pointing Felix but he said he used his own work.
> > >
> > > Zeppelin community is not judging what happened in a 3rd party
> > > meetup.
> > >
> > > Please go to law court with your evidence if you think someone
> > > stole your
> > > work for the presentation for the meetup. That's better instead of
> > > complaining in graduation discussion thread.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > moon
> > >
> > > On 2016년 2월 6일 (토) at 오전 7:44 Amos Elberg <amos.elb...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The topic here is supposed to be an open, honest, objective
> > > > evaluation
> > > > of the project against the criteria in the checklist.
> > > >
> > > > I would like us to stick to the subject.
> > > >
> > > > > > > QU10 The project is open and honest about the quality of
> > > > > > > its ...
> > > > > > The project has been quite defensive concerning code quality,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > everything else really. As just one example, when the CI
> > > > > > issues
> > > > > > were first reported, the response for some three months was
> > > > > > "there can't be anything wrong so we won't bother looking."
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > 9/10 latest PR passes the CI. I don't think CI is broken.
> > > > > If you think CI is broken for the whole project, you can always
> > > > > try
> > > > > to fix and contribute. that will be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > The issue is whether the project is "open and honest" about code
> > > > quality. Or defensive (and hostile).
> > > >
> > > > CI isn't broken? How many PRs have been merged in the last month
> > > > with a
> > > > note to not worry that they don't pass CI because its broken?
> > > > More
> > > > than a month ago Moon personally committed to fix it, and NFlabs
> > > > has a
> > > > project to completely replace it because its so unstable.
> > > >
> > > > I think Moon has just proven my point.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > QU20 The project puts a very high priority on producing
> > > > > > > secure
> > > > > > > software.
> > > > > I always asked people to contribute the security feature. multi
> > > > > -user
> > > > > PR, too.
> > > >
> > > > Not really... Usually the answer was to refer people to NFlabs,
> > > > or say
> > > > its something that would be discussed in the future.
> > > >
> > > > There was an example on the User list yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > > And i always introduced and directed people to Shiro PR when
> > > > > they
> > > > > need authentication even before it is being merged.
> > > >
> > > > If that were true then why was the PR was ignored for so long?
> > > > The
> > > > excuse in December was that the PR was forgotten about.
> > > >
> > > > > > > QU40The project puts a high priority on backwards
> > > > > > > compatibility
> > > > > > > and aims to document any incompatible changes and provide
> > > > > > > tools >
> > > > > > and documentation to help users transition . . .
> > > > > > There is no such documentation. There have been changes to,
> > > > > > e.g.,
> > > > > > the. . . that broke code and broke installations, but were
> > > > > > never documented.
> > > > > > I think the belief is "there are no incompatibilities so
> > > > > > there's
> > > > > > nothing to document."
> > > > > No. configuration always includes both old, new way of Spark
> > > > > Integration since way Spark integration changes.
> > > >
> > > > That's not correct. In fact Moon and I had an e-mail exchange
> > > > about this
> > > > in August and September, and its been discussed several times in
> > > > PR
> > > > comments.
> > > >
> > > > This issue is *still* breaking builds for people, and it comes up
> > > > on the
> > > > user help list every few days. And that's just one issue.
> > > >
> > > > Moon has, again, made my point.
> > > >
> > > > > > > QU50The project strives to respond to documented bug
> > > > > > > reports in > >
> > > > > timely manner.
> > > > > > 0.5.6 contained a patch for a bug where the PR was submitted
> > > > > > in > >
> > > > *September*, before even 0.5.5. Bug reports from multiple people
> > > > > > and the PR were ignored -- until Twitter complained.
> > > > > 0.5.6 for example includes 78 bug fixes.
> > > >
> > > > Not correct. Fixes to typos and grammar errors in documentation,
> > > > and
> > > > changes to the shading of windows, are not "bug fixes."
> > > >
> > > > In the 0.5.6 vote I asked if there were any substantive changes
> > > > or bug
> > > > fixes in 0.5.6. The twitter-bug was the only example that anyone
> > > > was able
> > > > to produce.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, the question is still why that PR and the bug reports
> > > > were
> > > > ignored in September, October, November, before twitter
> > > > complained?
> > > >
> > > > The issue is whether *the project* is responding to bug reports
> > > > in a
> > > > timely manner. My example shows that it is not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > LC40 Committers are bound by an Individual Contributor
> > > > > > > Agreement
> > > > > > > (the "Apache iCLA") that defines which code they are
> > > > > > > allowed to
> > > > > > > commit and how they need to identify code that is not their
> > > > > > > own.
> > > > > > There is no way that Felix's conduct about 208 is consistent
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > the iCLA. In addition, Moon knew about that conduct, and
> > > > > > didn't do
> > > > > > anything about it.
> > > > > If you want, you can always sign ICLA...
> > > > > But basically, contributed code is committed by one of Zeppelin
> > > > > Committer, who already signed ICLA. So signing ICLA for
> > > > > contributor
> > > > > is not mandatory.
> > > >
> > > > Part of the iCLA is also *honesty* about the attribution of code.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > CO20 The community welcomes contributions from anyone who
> > > > > > > acts in >
> > > > > > good faith and in a respectful manner and adds value to the
> > > > > > > project.
> > > > > Yes, acts in good faith and in a respectful manner.
> > > >
> > > > Is that a joke? One current member of the PMC tried to bully me
> > > > into
> > > > crediting him for work he hadn't done. Then tried to stall the PR
> > > > while
> > > > publicly claiming authorship. And another member of the PMC
> > > > covered-up for
> > > > him.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > CO40The community is meritocratic and over time aims to
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > more rights and responsibilities to contributors who add
> > > > > > > value to
> > > > > > > the project.
> > > > > > Since incubation began, the PMC has added only one committer
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > isn't an affiliate of NFLabs. That person is not a programmer
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > has made no contribution to the Zeppelin codebase.
> > > > > We have invited 3 committer after incubation started and 2
> > > > > committers
> > > > > are out side of NFLabs and 1 committer from NFLabs.
> > > > > Total 8 committers so far, from 4 different affiliation.
> > > >
> > > > Google says 6 are affiliated with NFLabs. Of the two who are not,
> > > > one
> > > > is Felix.
> > > >
> > > > > And non-code contribution is also very important (docs,
> > > > > marketing,
> > > > > etc). It's even possible to become a committer with out code
> > > > > contribution.
> > > >
> > > > That is true. But the question is whether the project is a
> > > > 'meritocracy.' In this case, the non-programmer committer is
> > > > Felix, a
> > > > personal friend of Moon's who has a record of dishonesty.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > CS50All "important" discussions happen asynchronously in
> > > > > > > written
> > > > > > > form on the project's main communications channel. Offline,
> > > > > > > face
> > > > -> > > to-face or private discussions that affect the project are
> > > > also
> > > > > > > documented on that channel.
> > > > > > Absolutely not the case. Email chains available on request.>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > We do every discussion is in the mailing list. And publish
> > > > > result in
> > > > > the mailing list. Even if there're discussion in the offline,
> > > > > like
> > > > > discussion in the meetup, discussion in the conference,
> > > > > discussion in
> > > > > personal email, we move that into the mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > There are examples mentioned already in this email chain...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2016-02-05 at 20:36 +0000, moon soo Lee wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 2:37 AM Amos Elberg <
> > > > > amos.elb...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since subtlety has not worked, I will now be blunter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason PR 208 has been delayed since August is that Felix
> > > > > > Cheung
> > > > > > demanded that I credit him as a co-author even though he
> > > > > > hadn't
> > > > > > done
> > > > > > any work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I refused, Felix privately contacted Moon, who is his
> > > > > > friend,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > claimed the PR contained Felix' intellectual property. Moon
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > held
> > > > > > the PR at Felix' request.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I found out what happened after I pursued Moon to ask why the
> > > > > > PR
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > been ignored. When he told me what happened, I had to offer
> > > > > > e-mail
> > > > > > chains and commit logs to prove that Felix was lying.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since then, its been one bogus, junk reason for delay after
> > > > > > another.
> > > > > > For a while, this seems to be because Moon wanted to give
> > > > > > Felix
> > > > > > time to
> > > > > > produce a competing implementation. Except, Felix wasn't
> > > > > > able to
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > it. I caught him trying to pass-off code he'd stolen as his
> > > > > > own,
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > Moon (who should have known) present.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I confronted Moon he told me, basically, "don't rock our
> > > > > > boat."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If anyone has any doubt about whether what I've said is true,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > have the
> > > > > > email chains, the commit logs, the chat records...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe the reason PRs have been delayed is that they
> > > > > > conflicted
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > other goals of either NFLabs, or friends of committers. Such
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > security
> > > > > > PRs, when NFlabs offers multi-user functionality commercially
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > outside
> > > > > > the project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here are my comments on the draft checklist:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > QU10The project is open and honest about the quality of its
> > > > > > > code.
> > > > > > > Various levels of quality and maturity for various modules
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > natural and acceptable as long as they are clearly
> > > > > > > communicated.
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The project has been quite defensive concerning code quality,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > everything else really. As just one example, when the CI
> > > > > > issues
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > first reported, the response for some three months was "there
> > > > > > can't
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > anything wrong so we won't bother looking." Now its
> > > > > > acknowledged
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > CI is basically broken for the whole project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many such examples.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > 9/10 latest PR passes the CI. I don't think CI is broken.
> > > > > If you think CI is broken for the whole project, you can always
> > > > > try
> > > > > to fix
> > > > > and contribute. that will be appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > QU20The project puts a very high priority on producing
> > > > > > > secure
> > > > > > > software.
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The evidence is otherwise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While many people ask about security features, the response
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > always
> > > > > > been from the PMC "some day," with no progress made. When
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > members tried to contribute the code --- the Shiro PR was
> > > > > > inexplicably
> > > > > > delayed by 4+ months; and the reaction to the new multi-user
> > > > > > PR
> > > > > > already
> > > > > > seems unusual, etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe the project intends to make security a priority in the
> > > > > > future.
> > > > > > But so far it has not.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I always asked people to contribute the security feature. multi
> > > > > -user
> > > > > PR,
> > > > > too.
> > > > > And i always introduced and directed people to Shiro PR when
> > > > > they
> > > > > need
> > > > > authentication even before it is being merged.
> > > > >
> > > > > And SSL support, securing cross origin access, etc, there're
> > > > > other
> > > > > security
> > > > > improvement effort that already been done and merged.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think project is not producing secure software.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > QU40The project puts a high priority on backwards
> > > > > > > compatibility
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > aims to document any incompatible changes and provide tools
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > documentation to help users transition to new features.
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is no such documentation. There have been changes to,
> > > > > > e.g.,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > way Zeppelin has to be configured, the way Spark integrates
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > Zeppelin, etc., that broke code and broke installations, but
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > never
> > > > > > documented.
> > > > > >
> > > > > I think the belief is "there are no incompatibilities so
> > > > > there's
> > > > > > nothing to document." But that is not the case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > No. configuration always includes both old, new way of Spark
> > > > > Integration
> > > > > since way Spark integration changes. And it still does
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't think it's enough, you can always contribute the
> > > > > documentation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > QU50The project strives to respond to documented bug
> > > > > > > reports in a
> > > > > > > timely manner.Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 0.5.6 contained a patch for a bug where the PR was submitted
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > *September*, before even 0.5.5. Bug reports from multiple
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > the PR were ignored -- until Twitter complained.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is just one example.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > 0.5.6 for example includes 78 bug fixes. see
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectI
> > > > > d=1231
> > > > > 6221&version=12334165
> > > > > I don't think bug fixes are ignored.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can always help fix the bug. Project does not officially
> > > > > discuss
> > > > > on
> > > > > twitter about the bug.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > LC40 Committers are bound by an Individual Contributor
> > > > > > > Agreement
> > > > > > > (the
> > > > > > > "Apache iCLA") that defines which code they are allowed to
> > > > > > > commit
> > > > > > > and how they need to identify code that is not their own.
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is no way that Felix's conduct about 208 is consistent
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > iCLA. In addition, Moon knew about that conduct, and didn't
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > If you want, you can always sign ICLA.
> > > > > https://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
> > > > >
> > > > > But basically, contributed code is committed by one of Zeppelin
> > > > > Committer,
> > > > > who already signed ICLA.
> > > > > So signing ICLA for contributor is not mandatory.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > CO20
> > > > > > > The community welcomes contributions from anyone who acts
> > > > > > > in good
> > > > > > > faith and in a respectful manner and adds value to the
> > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See above.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, acts in good faith and in a respectful manner.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > CO40The community is meritocratic and over time aims to
> > > > > > > give more
> > > > > > > rights and responsibilities to contributors who add value
> > > > > > > to the
> > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since incubation began, the PMC has added only one committer
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > an affiliate of NFLabs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That person is not a programmer and has made no contribution
> > > > > > to the
> > > > > > Zeppelin codebase.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > We have invited 3 committer after incubation started and 2
> > > > > committers
> > > > > are
> > > > > out side of NFLabs and 1 committer from NFLabs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 8 committers so far, from 4 different affiliation.
> > > > >
> > > > > And non-code contribution is also very important (docs,
> > > > > marketing,
> > > > > etc).
> > > > > It's even possible to become a committer with out code
> > > > > contribution.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > CO50
> > > > > > > The way in which contributors can be granted more rights
> > > > > > > such as
> > > > > > > commit access or decision power is clearly documented and
> > > > > > > is the
> > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > for all contributors.
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See above.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CS50All "important" discussions happen asynchronously in
> > > > > > written
> > > > > > form
> > > > > > > on the project's main communications channel. Offline, face
> > > > > > > -to
> > > > > > > -face
> > > > > > > or private discussions that affect the project are also
> > > > > > > documented on
> > > > > > > that channel.
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Absolutely not the case. Email chains available on request.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > We do every discussion is in the mailing list. And publish
> > > > > result in
> > > > > the
> > > > > mailing list. Even if there're discussion in the offline, like
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > in the meetup, discussion in the conference, discussion in
> > > > > personal
> > > > > email,
> > > > > we move that into the mailing list.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > IN10The project is independent from any corporate or
> > > > > > > organizational
> > > > > > > influence.
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not so sure...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 2016-02-04 at 23:50 +0000, moon soo Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > I have filled out all checklists and commented as much as i
> > > > > > > can.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please review
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ZEPPELIN/Apache
> > > > > > > +Zeppe
> > > > > > > lin+
> > > > > > > Project+Maturity+Model
> > > > > > > .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did i filled out correctly? Any feedback would be really
> > > > > > > appreciated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > moon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:03 AM moon soo Lee <
> > > > > > > m...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have created
> > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ZEPPELIN/Apac
> > > > > > > > he+Zep
> > > > > > > > peli
> > > > > > > > n+Project+Maturity+Model and
> > > > > > > > trying to fill out Apache Maturity Model checklist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me notify this thread when everything is filled out.
> > > > > > > > And any comment, help would be appreciated.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > moon
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 3:55 AM Roman Shaposhnik <
> > > > > > > > ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In general I agree. That said, if one of you guys were
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > fill
> > > > > > > > > out the
> > > > > > > > > Apache Maturity Model
> > > > > > > > > checklist that would help frame the IPMC discussion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Roman.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Mina Lee <
> > > > > > > > > mina...@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I think Zeppelin meets the requirements for
> > > > > > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Zeppelin community is growing fast and getting more
> > > > > > > > > > diverse.
> > > > > > > > > > Number of
> > > > > > > > > > contributors has increased more than 7 times and
> > > > > > > > > > three new
> > > > > > > > > > committers
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > admitted since Zeppelin became Apache podling
> > > > > > > > > > project. And
> > > > > > > > > > release, vote
> > > > > > > > > > related discussions have adopted ASF way so far.
> > > > > > > > > > Also Zeppelin is the one of the projects making big
> > > > > > > > > > synergy
> > > > > > > > > > with other
> > > > > > > > > > apache projects by providing different back-end
> > > > > > > > > > interpreters(ex
> > > > > > > > > > spark,
> > > > > > > > > > hive, flink, hbase, cassandra, etc)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > so +1 for graduation.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:13 AM, madhuka udantha <
> > > > > > > > > madhukaudan...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > +1 for graduation
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:59 PM, DuyHai Doan <
> > > > > > > > > > > doanduy...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading the link provided by Leemoonsoo
> > > > > > > > > > > > about the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > > > > maturity model. (
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-m
> > > > > > > > > aturit
> > > > > > > > > y-mo
> > > > > > > > > del.html
> > > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > QU20 The project puts a very high priority on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > producing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > secure
> > > > > > > > > software
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It's related to security and I know that there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > commit
> > > > > > > > > > > > on Shiro
> > > > > > > > > > > > authentication already by hayssams (kudo to him
> > > > > > > > > > > > by the
> > > > > > > > > > > > way). There is
> > > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > some JIRA ticket to add documentation about
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kerberos (
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-zeppelin/pull
> > > > > > > > > > > > /640).
> > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > is a JIRA to add doc for Shiro yet. Anyway, on
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > chapter
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > security,
> > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > > the works are being done and are on good way.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Under the Community topic, I think all the points
> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > covered (for
> > > > > > > > > > > example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > becoming a committer (point CO50) is clearly
> > > > > > > > > > > > documented
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > CONTRIBUTING.md)
> > > > > > > > > > > > as well as consensus (point CO60).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Under the Consensus Building chapter, every
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > related to
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > or votes have been exposed so far publicly on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > mailing
> > > > > > > > > > > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I see, all the points are covered.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now my personal opinion as a community member is
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > high
> > > > > > > > > time for
> > > > > > > > > > > > the project to graduate. Until now I did not feel
> > > > > > > > > > > > comfortable
> > > > > > > > > advising
> > > > > > > > > > > > Zeppelin for customers to deploy in production
> > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > lack of
> > > > > > > > > > > security
> > > > > > > > > > > > but since security support (at least for
> > > > > > > > > > > > authentication) is
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > trunk
> > > > > > > > > > > > and the improvements are on the way, I don't see
> > > > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > blocker anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So a big +1 for me
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Ahyoung Ryu <
> > > > > > > > > > > > ahyoungry...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Totally agree with @anthonycorbacho. I think
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > time to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > step
> > > > > > > > > > > > > forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, ++1 !
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2016년 2월 4일 목요일, Anthony Corbacho<
> > > > > > > > > > > > > anthonycorba...@apache.org>님이
> > > > > > > > > 작성한
> > > > > > > > > > > 메시지:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont see any reason why we shouldn't start
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vote.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlike release, it doesnt require any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For
> > > > > > > > > specific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature like R or ACL, we can add it as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > requirement
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as TLP),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so for me its a big +1.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Victor Manuel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Garcia <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > victor.gar...@beeva.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion we can graduate from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incubator.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think we
> > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > well
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > controlled procedures, regardless of new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that also
> > > > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improved or adding . For example we need to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improve the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > documentation, but i since is not necesary
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for graduation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > congrats for the work...!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2016-02-04 9:13 GMT+01:00 Alexander
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bezzubov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b...@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jakob,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you for pointing this out, it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > describe
> > > > > > > > > > > > (there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 releases since joining the incubator)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we could keep this thread focused on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and get
> > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppinions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from other participants - that would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > awesome!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its great to see people volonteering to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular
> > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release here, but please feel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > free to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fork
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on technical details.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016, 08:51 Jakob Homan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jgho...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey all-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A data point and observation from an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASF
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Member and
> > > > > > > > > > > Incubator
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Member...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is correct that readiness for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > function
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community development and adherence to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way,
> > > > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific feature or tech milestones.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering
> > > > > > > > > Incubator,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeppelin's had two relatively easy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > releases,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finished
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incubation checklist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( http://incubator.apache.org/projects/z
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eppeli
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n.ht
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ml), has
> > > > > > > > > > > added
> > > > > > > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commiters, etc. In short, Zeppelin's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > position to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from my perspective.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resolution of specific PRs should be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handled
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a speedy
> > > > > > > > > > > > matter,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but there doesn't seem to be any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disagreement
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that -
> > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left to be done in getting them in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Jakob
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 February 2016 at 23:39, Amos B.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elberg <
> > > > > > > > > > > > amos.elb...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see a point to splitting it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > December is that bugs in CI prevented
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *in* 208
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > functioning.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It wasn't causing anything else to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fail. Now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is broken
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway. If it was going to be split, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > myself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reliability of the code has been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field:
> > > > > > > > > > > > People
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't use R have switched to the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 208
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my repo
> > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compiles reliably when 0.5.6 does not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been outstanding since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > August, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's very
> > > > > > > > > hard to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a reason - you even participated in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meetup
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September
> > > > > > > > > > > where a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > variant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the code in the PR was used as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demonstration
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Zeppelin's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capabilities and potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of being an Apache project is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dealing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > significant
> > > > > > > > > > > PRs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside the core development team.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Addressing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these issues
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > R,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasad's PR, seems like a good test of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maturity.
> > > > > > > > > These
> > > > > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features on the roadmap which were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supposed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > included
> > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > non-beta release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 12:50 AM, moon
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soo Lee
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > m...@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Sourav for interest in this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and very
> > > > > > > > > > > > valuable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I completely agree how much R and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Authentication (which
> > > > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Zeppelin) will be useful for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > users.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe me, I
> > > > > > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features in Zeppelin more than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But at the same time we have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diversity of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user bases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people might think supporting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JDBC is more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > practical
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful feature, the other can think
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > multi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -tenancy is the
> > > > > > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, i believe Apache Top Level
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defined by how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > works,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not defined by what feature does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > software
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > includes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding bringing R into main
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > branch, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried to make
> > > > > > > > > pr208
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > passes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could able to make it pass 1 test
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profile,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > couldn't
> > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pass
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other test profiles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm suggesting split the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller
> > > > > > > > > peaces
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one. Like Hayssam did it for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shiro
> > > > > > > > > > > > security
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integration
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (pr586). And I'm volunteering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pr208
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into smaller
> > > > > > > > > PRs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:11 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mazumder <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sourav.mazumde...@gmail.com <javascript
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :;>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does make sense Moon.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with you
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important for becoming a top
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, in my opinion, from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practical
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > usage
> > > > > > > > > > > standpoint,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two features Zeppelin does not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > full
> > > > > > > > > fledged
> > > > > > > > > > > top
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > level
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious whether there are any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technical
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glitches which
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impediment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing these features to the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > branch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wondering
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get those problems fixed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 4:22 PM,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soo
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee <
> > > > > > > > > > > > m...@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think any feature (R or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prerequisites
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation. Especially when a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never setup
> > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation goal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Including specific features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valid concern for
> > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i don't think it's related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graduation is much more like if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is doing it in
> > > > > > > > > > > > apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > way,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding. Last time the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't go
> > > > > > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, because of there were valid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impasse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since that, community improved
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clarified
> > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > > guide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > process. And Zeppelin PPMC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to help
> > > > > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that they have been as a open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > (Especially
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jongyoul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Felix helped a lot)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, let's move discussions like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature should
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > included'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release / roadmap discussion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the graduation discussion,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have an
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussions,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evaluating
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-m
> > > > > > > > > aturit
> > > > > > > > > y-mo
> > > > > > > > > del.html
> > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this make sense for you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guys?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amos,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eran, Sourav?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:05 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amos
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elberg <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amos.elb...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Eran is right. The last
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vote for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation
> > > > > > > > > passed-it
> > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > withdrawn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in favor of releasing 0.5.6.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and there was
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentors concerning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation, R,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some other
> > > > > > > > > issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last public discussion about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > until today.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex if you disagree with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have links to
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you're referring to.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 2016, at 2:34 PM,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexander
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bezzubov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b...@apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Eran,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for sharing your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppinion!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please check my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reply about
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedulle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know if that makes sense to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, please our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentors
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct me if I'm
> > > > > > > > > wrong
> > > > > > > > > > > > here,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reading [1] I was under
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impression
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that project
> > > > > > > > > does not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-request
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding its code or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to undergo
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > formal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > procedure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Polic
> > > > > > > > > y.html
> > > > > > > > > #Gra
> > > > > > > > > duating+from+the+Incubator
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20:04 Eran
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Witkon <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > eranwit...@gmail.com
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