As a procedural point: the maturity model isn't a graduation requirement. It is a framework put forth a some IPMC people to help to make sure right questions are asked, not to mold all the projects the same way. No one is obliged to stick to it, though ;)
Cos On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 10:55AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > In general I agree. That said, if one of you guys were to fill out the > Apache Maturity Model > checklist that would help frame the IPMC discussion. > > Thanks, > Roman. > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Mina Lee <mina...@apache.org> wrote: > > I think Zeppelin meets the requirements for graduation. > > > > Zeppelin community is growing fast and getting more diverse. Number of > > contributors has increased more than 7 times and three new committers are > > admitted since Zeppelin became Apache podling project. And release, vote > > related discussions have adopted ASF way so far. > > Also Zeppelin is the one of the projects making big synergy with other > > apache projects by providing different back-end interpreters(ex spark, > > hive, flink, hbase, cassandra, etc) > > > > so +1 for graduation. > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:13 AM, madhuka udantha <madhukaudan...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> +1 for graduation > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:59 PM, DuyHai Doan <doanduy...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > I was reading the link provided by Leemoonsoo about the Apache project > >> > maturity model. ( > >> > > >> http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html) > >> > > >> > > >> > > QU20 The project puts a very high priority on producing secure software > >> > > >> > It's related to security and I know that there is a commit on Shiro > >> > authentication already by hayssams (kudo to him by the way). There is > >> also > >> > some JIRA ticket to add documentation about Kerberos ( > >> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-zeppelin/pull/640). Don't know if > >> > there > >> > is a JIRA to add doc for Shiro yet. Anyway, on the chapter of security, > >> all > >> > the works are being done and are on good way. > >> > > >> > Under the Community topic, I think all the points are covered (for > >> example, > >> > becoming a committer (point CO50) is clearly documented in > >> CONTRIBUTING.md) > >> > as well as consensus (point CO60). > >> > > >> > Under the Consensus Building chapter, every discussion related to release > >> > or votes have been exposed so far publicly on the mailing list. > >> > > >> > As far as I see, all the points are covered. > >> > > >> > Now my personal opinion as a community member is that it's high time for > >> > the project to graduate. Until now I did not feel comfortable advising > >> > Zeppelin for customers to deploy in production because of lack of > >> security > >> > but since security support (at least for authentication) is in the trunk > >> > and the improvements are on the way, I don't see any blocker anymore. > >> > > >> > So a big +1 for me > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Ahyoung Ryu <ahyoungry...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Totally agree with @anthonycorbacho. I think it's time to graduate and > >> > step > >> > > forward. > >> > > So, ++1 ! > >> > > > >> > > 2016년 2월 4일 목요일, Anthony Corbacho<anthonycorba...@apache.org>님이 작성한 > >> 메시지: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > > I dont see any reason why we shouldn't start a vote. > >> > > > unlike release, it doesnt require any specific features (For specific > >> > > > feature like R or ACL, we can add it as a requirement for the first > >> > > release > >> > > > as TLP), > >> > > > so for me its a big +1. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Victor Manuel Garcia < > >> > > > victor.gar...@beeva.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi guys, > >> > > > > In my opinion we can graduate from the incubator. I think we all > >> well > >> > > > > controlled procedures, regardless of new features that also will be > >> > > > > improved or adding . For example we need to greatly improve the > >> > > > > documentation, but i since is not necesary for graduation. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > +1 for graduation > >> > > > > > >> > > > > congrats for the work...!!! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 2016-02-04 9:13 GMT+01:00 Alexander Bezzubov <b...@apache.org > >> > > > <javascript:;>>: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jakob, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > thank you for pointing this out, it is exactly as you describe > >> > (there > >> > > > > were > >> > > > > > 3 releases since joining the incubator) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > If we could keep this thread focused on graduation and get more > >> > > > oppinions > >> > > > > > from other participants - that would awesome! > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Its great to see people volonteering to help with particular > >> > features > >> > > > for > >> > > > > > the next release here, but please feel free to fork the thread > >> for > >> > > > > further > >> > > > > > discussion on technical details. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > Alex > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016, 08:51 Jakob Homan <jgho...@gmail.com > >> > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hey all- > >> > > > > > > A data point and observation from an ASF Member and > >> Incubator > >> > > PMC > >> > > > > > > Member... > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Moon is correct that readiness for graduation is a function > >> of > >> > > > > > > community development and adherence to the Apache Way, rather > >> any > >> > > > > > > specific feature or tech milestones. Since entering Incubator, > >> > > > > > > Zeppelin's had two relatively easy releases, has finished the > >> > > > > > > incubation checklist > >> > > > > > > (http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zeppelin.html), has > >> added > >> > > new > >> > > > > > > commiters, etc. In short, Zeppelin's in a good position to > >> > > graduate > >> > > > > > > from my perspective. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Resolution of specific PRs should be handled in a speedy > >> > matter, > >> > > > > > > but there doesn't seem to be any disagreement to that - just > >> some > >> > > > work > >> > > > > > > left to be done in getting them in. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -Jakob > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 3 February 2016 at 23:39, Amos B. Elberg < > >> > amos.elb...@gmail.com > >> > > > <javascript:;>> > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > I don't see a point to splitting it. The reason we didn't > >> merge > >> > > in > >> > > > > > > December is that bugs in CI prevented the tests *in* 208 from > >> > > > > > functioning. > >> > > > > > > It wasn't causing anything else to fail. Now CI is broken for > >> the > >> > > > > project > >> > > > > > > anyway. If it was going to be split, I would do that myself. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The reliability of the code has been proven in the field: > >> > People > >> > > > who > >> > > > > > > don't use R have switched to the version of 208 in my repo > >> > because > >> > > it > >> > > > > > > compiles reliably when 0.5.6 does not. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This has been outstanding since August, and it's very hard to > >> > > > > > understand > >> > > > > > > a reason - you even participated in a Meetup in September > >> where a > >> > > > > variant > >> > > > > > > of the code in the PR was used as a demonstration of Zeppelin's > >> > > > > > > capabilities and potential. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Part of being an Apache project is dealing with significant > >> PRs > >> > > > from > >> > > > > > > outside the core development team. Addressing these issues > >> for > >> > R, > >> > > > and > >> > > > > > > Prasad's PR, seems like a good test of project maturity. These > >> > > were > >> > > > > > > features on the roadmap which were supposed to be included > >> before > >> > > the > >> > > > > > first > >> > > > > > > non-beta release. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 12:50 AM, moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org > >> > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks Sourav for interest in this discussion and very > >> > valuable > >> > > > > > opinion. > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> I completely agree how much R and Authentication (which i > >> > > believe > >> > > > > > > already > >> > > > > > > >> in Zeppelin) will be useful for users. And believe me, I > >> want > >> > > > these > >> > > > > > > >> features in Zeppelin more than anyone. > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> But at the same time we have diversity of user bases. > >> > > > > > > >> Some people might think supporting general JDBC is more > >> > > practical > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > > > more > >> > > > > > > >> useful feature, the other can think multi-tenancy is the > >> most > >> > > > > > important, > >> > > > > > > >> etc, etc. > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> So, i believe Apache Top Level project is defined by how > >> > > community > >> > > > > > > works, > >> > > > > > > >> not defined by what feature does the software includes. > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> Regarding bringing R into main branch, I tried to make pr208 > >> > > > passes > >> > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > CI. > >> > > > > > > >> I could able to make it pass 1 test profile, but couldn't > >> make > >> > > it > >> > > > > pass > >> > > > > > > all > >> > > > > > > >> other test profiles. > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> I'm suggesting split the contribution into smaller peaces > >> and > >> > > > merge > >> > > > > > one > >> > > > > > > by > >> > > > > > > >> one. Like Hayssam did it for his contribution of Shiro > >> > security > >> > > > > > > integration > >> > > > > > > >> (pr586). And I'm volunteering making pr208 into smaller PRs. > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> Best, > >> > > > > > > >> moon > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:11 PM Sourav Mazumder < > >> > > > > > > sourav.mazumde...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > >> > > > > > > >> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> This does make sense Moon. Completely agree with you that > >> > > > features > >> > > > > > are > >> > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > >>> important for becoming a top level project > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> However, in my opinion, from the practical usage > >> standpoint, > >> > > > > without > >> > > > > > > these > >> > > > > > > >>> two features Zeppelin does not look to me a full fledged > >> top > >> > > > level > >> > > > > > > project. > >> > > > > > > >>> Curious whether there are any technical glitches which are > >> > > > > impediment > >> > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > >>> bringing these features to the main branch. Wondering if > >> any > >> > > help > >> > > > > can > >> > > > > > > help > >> > > > > > > >>> to get those problems fixed. > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> Regards, > >> > > > > > > >>> Sourav > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 4:22 PM, moon soo Lee < > >> > m...@apache.org > >> > > > <javascript:;>> > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Hi guys, > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> I don't think any feature (R or whatever) should be > >> > > > prerequisites > >> > > > > of > >> > > > > > > >>>> graduation. Especially when a project never setup those > >> > > features > >> > > > > as > >> > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > >>>> graduation goal. > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Including specific features could be valid concern for > >> > release > >> > > > > > > >>> discussion, > >> > > > > > > >>>> but i don't think it's related to a graduation. > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Graduation is much more like if project is doing it in > >> > apache > >> > > > way, > >> > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > my > >> > > > > > > >>>> understanding. Last time the reason why i didn't go for a > >> > > > > graduation > >> > > > > > > vote > >> > > > > > > >>>> is, because of there were valid concern about contribution > >> > > > > impasse. > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Since that, community improved / clarified contribution > >> > guide > >> > > > and > >> > > > > > > review > >> > > > > > > >>>> process. And Zeppelin PPMC members were trying to help > >> many > >> > > > > > > contributions > >> > > > > > > >>>> that they have been as a open PR for a long time. > >> > (Especially > >> > > > > > Jongyoul > >> > > > > > > >>> and > >> > > > > > > >>>> Felix helped a lot) > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> So, let's move discussions like 'which feature should be > >> > > > included' > >> > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > >>>> release / roadmap discussion. > >> > > > > > > >>>> In the graduation discussion, i'd like to have an > >> > discussions, > >> > > > > such > >> > > > > > as > >> > > > > > > >>>> evaluating > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html, > >> > > > > > > >>>> etc. > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Does this make sense for you guys? Amos, Eran, Sourav? > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > >>>> moon > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:05 AM Amos B. Elberg < > >> > > > > > amos.elb...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> No Eran is right. The last vote for graduation passed-it > >> > was > >> > > > not > >> > > > > > > >>>> withdrawn > >> > > > > > > >>>>> in favor of releasing 0.5.6. It passed and there was some > >> > > > > feedback > >> > > > > > > from > >> > > > > > > >>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>> mentors concerning graduation, R, and some other issues. > >> > And > >> > > > > that's > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > >>>>> last public discussion about graduation until today. > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Alex if you disagree with that do you have links to the > >> > > > > discussion > >> > > > > > > >>> emails > >> > > > > > > >>>>> that you're referring to. > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Feb 3, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Alexander Bezzubov < > >> > > > b...@apache.org <javascript:;>> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Hi Eran, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> thanks for sharing your oppinion! > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Could you please check my previous reply about release > >> > > > schedulle > >> > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > >>>> let > >> > > > > > > >>>>> us > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> know if that makes sense to you? > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> By the way, please our mentors correct me if I'm wrong > >> > here, > >> > > > but > >> > > > > > > >>> after > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> reading [1] I was under impression that project does not > >> > > have > >> > > > > > > >>>> pre-request > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> regarding its code or features in order to undergo this > >> > > formal > >> > > > > > > >>>> procedure > >> > > > > > > >>>>> of > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> graduation. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> [1] > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016, 20:04 Eran Witkon < > >> > > eranwit...@gmail.com > >> > > > <javascript:;>> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> If I recall correctly R support was one of the > >> > > pre-requisite > >> > > > > for > >> > > > > > > >>>>> graduation > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> from day one. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I agree that Authentication should be added as well. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 for graduation after we add both > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Eran > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 at 20:24 Sourav Mazumder < > >> > > > > > > >>>>> sourav.mazumde...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Surely I vote for the same. Zeppelin is already very > >> > > popular > >> > > > > in > >> > > > > > > >>>>> different > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> quarts of the Spark/Big Data user group. High time to > >> > > > graduate > >> > > > > > it > >> > > > > > > >>> to > >> > > > > > > >>>>> top > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> level. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> However, I shall suggest to have the support for R and > >> > > > > > > >>> Authentication > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> added > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to Zeppelin before that. These are the supports most > >> of > >> > > the > >> > > > > > people > >> > > > > > > >>>> are > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> eagerly waiting for. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sourav > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:23 AM, moon soo Lee < > >> > > > > m...@apache.org <javascript:;>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks Alexander for resuming the discussion. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Let's start a vote. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Best, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> moon > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:11 PM Alexander Bezzubov < > >> > > > > > > >>> b...@apache.org <javascript:;> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Zeppelin developers, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> now, after number of releases and committers grew > >> more > >> > > I'd > >> > > > > > like > >> > > > > > > >>> to > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> suggest > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the re-new the discussion of graduating Zeppelin to > >> > top > >> > > > > level > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> project. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If there are on objections - next step would be to > >> > > start a > >> > > > > > VOTE > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> thread > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think? > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Alex > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > *Victor Manuel Garcia Martinez* > >> > > > > *Software Engeenier > >> > > > > * > >> > > > > > >> > > > > *+34 672104297 | victor.gar...@beeva.com <javascript:;> < > >> > > > marta.ta...@beeva.com <javascript:;>>* > >> > > > > * | > >> victormanuel.garcia.marti...@bbva.com > >> > > > <javascript:;> > >> > > > > <marta.ta...@bbva.com <javascript:;>>* > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > <http://www.beeva.com/> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers, > >> Madhuka Udantha > >> http://madhukaudantha.blogspot.com > >>
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